LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

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I still think the sign on the dividing doors in the composite coach should say First class on (says standard class). I lost count of the passengers who walked through those doors thinking it was more standard class seating only to do an U-turn when they discovered it was first class.
 
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Was in 801209 on Friday.

This unit seems to have new auto announcements - presumably because the old voice mispronounced some Scottish stations.

Oh dear. The recording is really bad quality, overamplified so you get ‘clipping’. And then there’s the tone: the announcer sounds like she’s talking to a puppy she’s not seen in years - so sickly sweet she makes the old Virgin branding seem subdued. Don’t get me started on the long pause between LN and ER on every station stop approach.

I had considered there were pros and cons of the 91/Mk4 fleet and these new Azumas. But if these announcements get rolled out more widely, I think I’ll be timing my journeys round the old stock for as long as I can. I suppose at least she’s not in the toilets. (Yet.)
 

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Was in 801209 on Friday.

This unit seems to have new auto announcements - presumably because the old voice mispronounced some Scottish stations.

Oh dear. The recording is really bad quality, overamplified so you get ‘clipping’. And then there’s the tone: the announcer sounds like she’s talking to a puppy she’s not seen in years - so sickly sweet she makes the old Virgin branding seem subdued. Don’t get me started on the long pause between LN and ER on every station stop approach.

I had considered there were pros and cons of the 91/Mk4 fleet and these new Azumas. But if these announcements get rolled out more widely, I think I’ll be timing my journeys round the old stock for as long as I can. I suppose at least she’s not in the toilets. (Yet.)
Wow really? That's disappointing, I thought the original announcements on the Azumas were pretty good, though I haven't used them to Scotland of course.
 

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Entirely fair if they were wrong, it's just a shame if fixing that has led to a downgrade in quality for the rest of the announcements.
I haven't heard the re-done ones, but how difficult is it to replace about three words in the entire system and keep the whole lot clear and crisp to hear?

Something wrong with the way the did the new recordings perhaps
 

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Was in 801209 on Friday.

This unit seems to have new auto announcements - presumably because the old voice mispronounced some Scottish stations.

Oh dear. The recording is really bad quality, overamplified so you get ‘clipping’. And then there’s the tone: the announcer sounds like she’s talking to a puppy she’s not seen in years - so sickly sweet she makes the old Virgin branding seem subdued. Don’t get me started on the long pause between LN and ER on every station stop approach.

I had considered there were pros and cons of the 91/Mk4 fleet and these new Azumas. But if these announcements get rolled out more widely, I think I’ll be timing my journeys round the old stock for as long as I can. I suppose at least she’s not in the toilets. (Yet.)
801209 does not have the rerecorded announcements, for some reason that has had a different voice since it entered service.

The incorrect pronunciations are I believe still to be rerecorded, due to trying to find time for the original lady to record them.
 

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Here’s a video -

I’m pretty sure that Kingussie is pronounced incorrectly.
It is. And it's a sign of the ignorance of LNER or the Dft (whoever was in chage of it) to bother to get names pronounced correctly. The automatic announcer mispronounces Kingussie (as Kin-goosee, rather than King-oosee) and also Kirkcaldy (as Kirk-all-dee, rather than Kirk-aw-dee).

Thankfully they're changing it, after receiving a right slagging off from a lot of top people in Scottish politics, as well as a lot of slate from regular passengers.
 
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What would be done if London-Inverness 800 failed near Inverness? Can the Dellner equipped 73 used for the sleeper haul it?
 

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What would be done if London-Inverness 800 failed near Inverness? Can the Dellner equipped 73 used for the sleeper haul it?
They have emergency couplers on-board, as does most (all?) stock without buffer-and-chain couplers. The IEP spec required at least 30mph to be achievable with the emergency coupler, don't know what the actual 800 specification is. The 73 can't, because the Dellner on the Mk5 is at a non-standard height (v. the European TSI).
 

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It is. And it's a sign of the ignorance of LNER or the Dft (whoever was in chage of it) to bother to get names pronounced correctly. The automatic announcer mispronounces Kingussie (as Kin-goosee, rather than King-oosee) and also Kirkcaldy (as Kirk-all-dee, rather than Kirk-aw-dee).

Thankfully they're changing it, after receiving a right slagging off from a lot of top people in Scottish politics, as well as a lot of slate from regular passengers.
I agree it's wrong, and I speak as someone whose local station is Kingussie, but I've heard Glasgow based Scotrail conductors make a far worse job of pronouncing it than this contraption. It's often a relief to the ears get to Perth, have the Inverness crew join and not having to cringe for the final hour and a half of the journey.
 

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I agree it's wrong, and I speak as someone whose local station is Kingussie, but I've heard Glasgow based Scotrail conductors make a far worse job of pronouncing it than this contraption. It's often a relief to the ears get to Perth, have the Inverness crew join and not having to cringe for the final hour and a half of the journey.
The offensive explanation is that those of us from civilisation don't actually care how you teuchters pronounce words. :D
 

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LNER are running a ‘Name an Azuma’ competition if anyone is interested, to commemorate the trains being in service for one year. Competition closes 01/06/20:

 

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801201(?), 228 - Tyne Yard in store.
801202, 227(?) - on test.
801204, 206, 208, 210, 212, 218, 229, 230 - not yet seen on test AFAIK.
801203, 205, 207, 209, 211, 213-217, 219-226 - in service.
 

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227 & 229 are in service.

Can’t remember whether 201 is at Tyne Yard, or Eastleigh.

The rest of the list is correct.
 

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227 & 229 are in service.

Can’t remember whether 201 is at Tyne Yard, or Eastleigh.

The rest of the list is correct.
801201 is at Eastleigh
801227 and 229 in service.
801228 stored at Tyne but accepted by lner.

801202 is out on commissioning runs between Doncaster and Newcastle.
 

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Is there any likelihood of the 9 car units being extended to 10 car units in the future ?
It would provide capacity increase in a similar way to the extended Pendolino stock did on the WCML.
It would better match capacity offered on 2 x 5 car sets when so required.
I presume the infrastructure would cope.
 

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Is there any likelihood of the 9 car units being extended to 10 car units in the future ?
It would provide capacity increase in a similar way to the extended Pendolino stock did on the WCML.
It would better match capacity offered on 2 x 5 car sets when so required.
I presume the infrastructure would cope.
I think they might be too long for many of the platforms.
 

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Is there any likelihood of the 9 car units being extended to 10 car units in the future ?
It would provide capacity increase in a similar way to the extended Pendolino stock did on the WCML.
It would better match capacity offered on 2 x 5 car sets when so required.
I presume the infrastructure would cope.
9 car 80x already match the passenger capacity of 2 x 5 car though...
 
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The only reason LNER have 5 car sets as well was to give them more flexibility when it came to diagramming otherwise they would have probably chosen more 9 car sets.

If 2 x 5 car sets were longer than 9 cars they wouldn’t have fit the platforms either so its better leaving the 800 and 801s as they are
 

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I was thinking with the outgoing IC 225 sets being formed of Class 91 loco + 9 coaches + DVT, then there was potential for 10 car units eventually.
Better to have longer trains, rather than more and more shorter formation trains clogging up the finite track capacity of the ECML.
 

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I was thinking with the outgoing IC 225 sets being formed of Class 91 loco + 9 coaches + DVT, then there was potential for 10 car units eventually.
Better to have longer trains, rather than more and more shorter formation trains clogging up the finite track capacity of the ECML.
Each Mark 4 coach (and I believe this includes the DVTs) is 23m long. 91s are 19.4m long. 800s and 801s are 26m long.
Total IC225 length: 249.4m, but 207m of effective passenger-carrying length. Total 9-car Azuma length: 234m.
 

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