LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

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  1. MK Tom

    MK Tom Established Member

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    Do we know yet whether the HST or Class 91 sets will be released by the initial Class 800 entries into service? I'm mainly asking because I'm eager to see the Grand Central 91 sets come over to the WCML, but given the HSTs are older and often used on the Leeds diagrams that the 800s are starting on, it might be that they go first.
     
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    Don't forget that some class 91s and mk IVs have a home to go to whilst the HSTs don't so it makes sense to release 91s and mk IVs first.
     
  3. Mitchell Hurd

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    If I might add, they're one of the most organised InterCity operators I think* - way better than CrossCountry although XC does have it's positive points!

    *I'll do another thread over the weekend. I can say that they have a buffet, trolley service to compliment the buffet (or the buffet compliments the trolley service) and a pre-order service.
     
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    So with a May introduction, I guess we won't see 90s on LNER services much beyond June. Grab em' while you can.
     
  5. westv

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    I decided to check out a random London to Hull service to see if they had finally got the seat map working now the Azuma is taking over.
    20/5/19 17:18 London to Hull - offers G46 (which must be an Azuma as there is no coach G on the HST) but still no working seat selector map. Am I being too previous or is this an LNER failure?
     
  6. ainsworth74

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    Hmm there is a coach G on LNER's full length HSTs. It's only NL65 (the one that usually appears on Hull) that lacks a coach G. More broadly I would gamble that the seat map probably still isn't uploaded to the booking engine. It's still a fair old way away and I get the feeling was only confirmed as definitely being 15 May even internally a few days ago!
     
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    I walked down the length of a 9-car set parked up in York station yesterday and I can't recall seeing a single table seat that wasn't properly (or near as damn it) with the windows so I wouldn't worry in that regard. LNER also appear to have improved on the situation slightly with the seats that were against a blank wall as they've installed a luggage rack at each end on one side of the carriage meaning that there's only one set of seats that are just next the door pocket at each end rather than two. Apart from those ridiculous seats next to the door pocket my opinion (from the outside) is that the window/seat alignment is no worse than a Mk4.
     
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    I agree, from the few times I've walked next to them at Peterborough they've definitely made an effort that seats are lined up at the windows. The door pocket seats are a bit strange, it's true, however there are people out there (self included on some occasions) who would like to use a seat similar to that for a good nap. That seat could be very useful for KGX-EDB nappers...
     
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    Are there any other changes with the LNER spec trains over the GWR ones? I'm on a train to Cardiff right now and noticed that it's so noisy inside (coach b, standard) as the materials make it really echoey. The speakers are also oddly positioned and really quiet, both for manual announcements and the automated ones. I assume there's no ambient noise sensor to adjust the volume, so even though I have good hearing I am struggling. Why an extra large gap in the middle of the coach with no speaker?
     
  10. jzw95

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    This makes me very happy, thanks for the confirmation!
     
  11. JamesGar

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    On empty Gwr IETs its surprising how many people position themselves in those seats when they have the pick of a whole carriage of unreserved seats.

    Good if your reading or working.

    Of note is these seats on LNER will be un-reservable.
     
  12. Scott M

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    What is happening to the LNER HSTs once the Azumas enter service?
     
  13. LNW-GW Joint

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    They have no identified home.
    The original plan was for the first tranche of East Coast IEPs to replace the HST fleet, with the second tranche replacing the 225s.
    Things have not quite turned out that way, with no clearance for IEPs north of York yet.
    But HSTs have to be off the premises by year-end as they do not have the necessary PRM modifications to run in 2020.
    At least 2x225 sets also need to be off-lease before year end, so that Transport for Wales can use the Mk4 coaches to replace their Mk3 sets.
     
  14. Bletchleyite

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    Saw one at Peterborough earlier - the red interior looks really nice and homely, as do the moquette seats. What a difference some cosmetic changes make.

    The livery also works really well - looks a bit ICEesque.
     
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    Agreed, much better than the GWR one.
    And re the livery, I'd say it's more akin to the original livery worn by FS' (Trenitalia) ETR.460 Pendolini!
     
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    Yeah, I kind of wish GWR had a green version, then perhaps blue if they get on the MML..
     
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    Indeed :)
     
  19. Class455

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    Surely they'll be cleared to run past York soon though?
     
  20. LNW-GW Joint

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    As I understand it, the signalling interference issues could take quite a time to fix (changes needed to both track and train).
    The electric units can't simply switch to diesel north of York.
     
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    Very soon!!.
    They are authorised for use in diesel mode.....electric mode, give it a f
    As far as am aware the modifications to the signals as far as Edinburgh have been completed. It's just waiting to be tested with the trains. It's been completed a lot quicker than initially thought.
     
  22. 59CosG95

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    Azuma tests week beginning 18/3/19:
    5Q01/5Q02/5Q03/5Q04/5Q05/5Q06 - Ferme Park to Retford; 80xxxx (no path yet in place for Retford to Doncaster)
    5Q12/5Q13/5Q14/5Q15 - Doncaster Carr IEPD to Ferme Park via King's Cross/Leeds; 80xxxx
    5Q20/5Q21/5Q22/5Q23/5Q24 - Doncaster Carr IEPD circular via York/Retford/Peterborough; 80xxxx
     
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    5Q02 - 800103
    5Q12 - 800107
    5Q20 - 800111
     
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    Currently in platform 5 in Edinburgh Waverly
     
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    That'll be 800109 on 5Q40/5Q41/5Q42/5Q43/5Q44/5Q45 - first time I've seen a set due to be stabling at Craigentinny on test in a while. An LNER employee on Twitter posted pics of the set using P5 - this is the debut of the class into the new platforms at Waverley.
     
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    I suppose I am slightly surprised. The original introduction date was three months ago so you would have thought everything would be in place to go apart from the actual running of the services.
     
  27. ainsworth74

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    Oh well that's just crazy talk! Having things ready to go in advance of the service we've known is coming for the better part of a decade? Madness! :lol:
     
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    What was done to the "death ladders" to allow these trains to be authorised...?
     
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    Nothing yet. As seen in earlier posts, eg #673 and onwards, they’ve been given a deadline to sort it out.
     
  30. 59CosG95

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    Until then, the LNER staff are being told to be extra vigilant.

    I have an inkling that the reason this might not apply as much to GWR is that all the Series 1 OLE is newer, and follows the standard European clearances between platform & OLE of 3.5m (alongside reduced live envelopes with the Single Insulator "gooseneck" Cantilevers), while the ECML Mk3a/Mk3b OLEMI-vintage equipment is nominally follows the British Standard clearance of 2.75m, alongside more live OLE components.

    As such, I feel that the case of the "death ladder" is more pressing on the ECML than the GWML, although I think that the GWR 800s/802s should receive similar modifications for the sakes of safety and uniformity when a permanent solution is found.
     

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