LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

[43094]

91129 is stood down, too.

 

[D365]

Is 91118 at the RMT or at Wabtec please?

What's the RMT, please?

 

[tricky18jan]

What's the RMT, please?

Royal mail terminal

 

[D365]

Royal mail terminal

Does Royal Mail actually have any interest in a Class 91, or is the site being used for storage?

 

[ash39]

I don't even think Royal Mail have any interest in the site any more, let alone the 91's. As far as I know Royal Mail Terminal is a historical reference when it was previously used for that purpose - GBRf use it for stabling these days.

 

[59CosG95]

Does Royal Mail actually have any interest in a Class 91, or is the site being used for storage?

Purely for storage, as the West Yard needs to be kept available for day-to-day use.

 

[Rhydgaled]

It is slightly ridiculous, though, to have two Class 91s designated - although both have serious merits to them (UK's former speed record holder and last UK built express passenger loco/last loco built at Crewe Works).

They both have such merit that I don't think it is in the least bit ridiculous to preserve both of them.

 

[D365]

They both have such merit that I don't think it is in the least bit ridiculous to preserve both of them.

NRM is going to need a serious long-term plan for their locomotives. According to Wikipedia they have a third Class 43 coming in, that's on top of 313201 being designated (among other locomotives yet to come) and 142001 which will apparently be based in York.

Bringing it back on topic, I don't deny their historical merit, but I don't see where they will find the space for two Class 91s!

 

[ScotRail158725]

NRM is going to need a serious long-term plan for their locomotives. According to Wikipedia they have a third Class 43 coming in, that's on top of 313201 being designated (among other locomotives yet to come) and 142001 which will apparently be based in York.

Bringing it back on topic, I don't deny their historical merit, but I don't see where they will find the space for two Class 91s!

they’ve found space to preserve about 25 142

 

[ash39]

they’ve found space to preserve about 25 142

???

142001 is the only pacer earmarked for the National Railway Museum, the limited storage of which is the issue being discussed here.

There are a number of pacers going to various heritage railways but these are of no relevance to the NRM.

I would love to see two Class 91's at the NRM, they have more personal relevance to me than most of the exhibits there, but realistically there is no need for duplicate items when there is such limited space. If the NRM do end up taking on two, I would be fairly confident that one would end up on a different site.

 

[4REP]

It would be good to have one 91 in GNER livery and one in InterCity swallow livery based there.
91132 might be a good candidate as we're involved and survived 3 accidents..
Sandy 1998
Hatfield 2000
Great Heck 2001

 

[43096]

It would be good to have one 91 in GNER livery and one in InterCity swallow livery based there.
91132 might be a good candidate as we're involved and survived 3 accidents..
Sandy 1998
Hatfield 2000
Great Heck 2001

That’s probably the worst loco to pick! Just don’t pick a notorious one as someone is bound to ask why and the normal press find out.

 

[4REP]

That’s probably the worst loco to pick! Just don’t pick a notorious one as someone is bound to ask why and the normal press find out.

That's a good point though but nothing surely would provoke a major reaction surely. Its identity also changed to 91132.
The general public surely would not have a clue but only loco enthusiasts would.
Unless the jinx loco would cause problems in the NRM eg a curse or something like a fire etc.

 

[4REP]

That’s probably the worst loco to pick! Just don’t pick a notorious one as someone is bound to ask why and the normal press find out.

And also it might end up being one of the locos that might only be available

 

[43096]

And also it might end up being one of the locos that might only be available

As has already been said, 91110 and 91131 have been designated. They are far more worthy candidates than other members of the class.

 

[31160]

???

142001 is the only pacer earmarked for the National Railway Museum, the limited storage of which is the issue being discussed here.

There are a number of pacers going to various heritage railways but these are of no relevance to the NRM.

I would love to see two Class 91's at the NRM, they have more personal relevance to me than most of the exhibits there, but realistically there is no need for duplicate items when there is such limited space. If the NRM do end up taking on two, I would be fairly confident that one would end up on a different site.

If the NRM do claim more than one, surely Crewe heritage centre would be the best place to farm it out too as long as its kept inside

 

[43096]

If the NRM do claim more than one, surely Crewe heritage centre would be the best place to farm it out too as long as its kept inside

The NRM do not claim vehicles, they are designated by the Railway Heritage Designation Advisory Board. It is then up to the NRM if they want to take them or not.

 

[Oscar46016]

Folks - what are the remaining 91 diagrams at present?

 

[4REP]

Folks - what are the remaining 91 diagrams at present?

I know there is a 0945 leeds to KX in june/July as purpously booked these. According to the seating arrangements on the LNER website

 

[Oscar46016]

I know there is a 0945 leeds to KX in june/July as purpously booked these. According to the seating arrangements on the LNER website

thanks!

 

[4REP]

As far as I can vaguely remember I noticed 3 returns on the leeds to KX route but may change or I could be corrected

 

[59CosG95]

101, 105-107, 109-111, 114, 115, 119, 121, 124, 126, 127 and 130 (a total of 15 locos) are still in service, largely unchanged from this time last month.
As for withdrawal dates, any planned dates are likely to have been affected by Coronavirus.

 

[stantheman]

101, 105-107, 109-111, 114, 115, 119, 121, 124, 126, 127 and 130 (a total of 15 locos) are still in service, largely unchanged from this time last month.
As for withdrawal dates, any planned dates are likely to have been affected by Coronavirus.

I guess production of new rubbish is delayed so more breathing space .

 

[ST156]

Next 91 + Mk4 withdrawal looks to be scheduled for tomorrow.

5Z91 - Bounds Green to Doncaster GBRF

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5Z92 - Doncaster GBRF to Worksop Up Reception

Realtime Trains - 5Z92 1305 Doncaster Down Decoy Gbrf to Worksop Up Receptions

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Update:- No 91 in the consist, just 66720 hauling a set of Mk4s (Set BN04, DVT 82209).

 

[59CosG95]

This looks like it went unnoticed, but the following ran from Wembley to Worksop as 5Z75 on May 5th.
66764-82228-11327-10319-12321-12471-12227.
This was the remains of BN27, having finished use with GC as a training set.

 

[59CosG95]

And this was on May 4th; 2 rakes of ex-GC training stock (AKA the remains of BN29 & BN30) travelling from Crewe to Worksop.
66755-12204-12462-12317-10317-11329-82231-12216-12449-12331-10329-11330-82203-66772

 

[Chorley Cake]

10 & 21 together at Doncaster this evening.

 

[ST156]

5Z91 is on the move again this morning with another Mk4 stock move from Bounds Green to Doncaster and then on to Worksop.

Realtime Trains - 5Z91 0820 Bounds Green T&R.S.M.D to Doncaster Down Decoy Gbrf

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Realtime Trains - 5Z92 1418 Doncaster Down Decoy Gbrf to Worksop Up Receptions

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This looks to be 82217 and the remains of BN28 (Coaches BFHL). The rest of the coaches in the set had already been scrapped or stored.

I believe that that leaves the following with LNER:-
15 x Class 91s
11 x Full Mk4 sets
1 x Spare DVT (82224)
1 x Spare TOE (Coach B - 12200)

 

[43096]

15 x Class 91s
11 x Full Mk4 sets
1 x Spare DVT (82224)

Isn't there one spare TOE (12200) as well?

 

[ST156]

Isn't there one spare TOE (12200) as well?

So there is! I had forgotten about that one.

Original post updated.

Thank you.