LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

[Peter Mugridge]

Pardon my ignorance, but what does TOE, TOD & SV stand for?

Trailer Open End ( the one that connects to the 91 )

Trailer Open Disabled ( obviously the one with the wheelchair space )

SV I am not sure about - not heard that one before!

 

[1179_Clee2]

SV is the Service Vehicle the one with the kitchen in it.
The Kitchen Buffet Standard is a better way of putting it.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

TSOE - Tourist Standard Open - End. This is the coach next to the loco and doesn't have a corridor connection at the loco end

TSOD Tourist Standard Open - Disabled. Contains the easy access toilet and eheelchair space

SV - Service Vehicle. Basically the buffet car/kitchen (Restaurant on IC/GNER days)

 

[MOONY]

Many thanks folks -- much appreciated!

 

[43096]

Pardon my ignorance, but what does TOE, TOD & SV stand for?

Tourist Open End, Tourist Open Disabled and Service Vehicle.

 

[Dave91131]

Reported elsewhere that set BN25 has been taken to Worksop today by 66718.

3 sets down now to my knowledge - BN23 and BN25 at Worksop, with BN24 stopped.

 

[adrock1976]

Reported elsewhere that set BN25 has been taken to Worksop today by 66718.

3 sets down now to my knowledge - BN23 and BN25 at Worksop, with BN24 stopped.

BN25 I believe has the DVT 82216 in its formation (according to the ABRail website at November 2018), which means that was the only set out of the 4 I required for haulage I did not get yesterday (it was not in service).

There may still be hope as it may end up in Wales or on the Blackpool Open Access workings (if they ever start). I still require 91101, 122, and 130 for haulage, so may have another go at those in a couple of weeks.

Since I started noting the Mk IVs for haulage in 2014/15, and as I do not use the East Coast route regularly, it was not a bad effort overall. On a side note, I have managed to get all of the HST sets and power cars in the ICEC fleet for haulage.

 

[Dave91131]

BN25 I believe has the DVT 82216 in its formation (according to the ABRail website at November 2018), which means that was the only set out of the 4 I required for haulage I did not get yesterday (it was not in service).

There may still be hope as it may end up in Wales or on the Blackpool Open Access workings (if they ever start). I still require 91101, 122, and 130 for haulage, so may have another go at those in a couple of weeks.

Since I started noting the Mk IVs for haulage in 2014/15, and as I do not use the East Coast route regularly, it was not a bad effort overall. On a side note, I have managed to get all of the HST sets and power cars in the ICEC fleet for haulage.

82216 was reported as the DVT.

I understand that the vehicles destined for Wales and Blackpool are highly likely to come from these first off-lease sets, I don't think specific vehicle (loco or coaching stock) identities have yet been released in to the public domain.

91122 has always been rare for me - one of my sub-5k mileage 91's and 1 of only 2 that I haven't had west of Edinburgh.

You've done better than me with the PC's - 43272 still required and 43315 not had since 24th July 1999.

 

[Will Potter]

This is the 91 withdraw plan up to 30/06/2020

91108 - 30/07/2019
91120 - 30/07/2019
91132 - 30/07/2019

91103 - 31/08/2019

91104 - 31/01/2020
91117 - 31/01/2020

91111 - 28/02/2020
91116 - 28/02/2020

91110 - 31/03/2020
91122 - 31/03/2020
91128 - 31/03/2020

91102 - 30/04/2020
91107 - 30/04/2020
91115 - 30/04/2020
91125 - 30/04/2020
91129 - 30/04/2020
91131 - 30/04/2020

91101 - 31/05/2020
91106 - 31/05/2020
91126 - 31/05/2020
91127 - 31/05/2020

91105 - 30/06/2020
91109 - 30/06/2020

This is subject to change but is the current plan for the hand back of the 91’s

91119 is planned to be in the last 5

Source: information sheet which was left in the cab of 91119 at the open event.

 

[DanNCL]

This is the 91 withdraw plan up to 30/06/2020

91108 - 30/07/2019
91120 - 30/07/2019
91132 - 30/07/2019

91103 - 31/08/2019

91104 - 31/01/2020
91117 - 31/01/2020

91111 - 28/02/2020
91116 - 28/02/2020

91110 - 31/03/2020
91122 - 31/03/2020
91128 - 31/03/2020

91102 - 30/04/2020
91107 - 30/04/2020
91115 - 30/04/2020
91125 - 30/04/2020
91129 - 30/04/2020
91131 - 30/04/2020

91101 - 31/05/2020
91106 - 31/05/2020
91126 - 31/05/2020
91127 - 31/05/2020

91105 - 30/06/2020
91109 - 30/06/2020

This is subject to change but is the current plan for the hand back of the 91’s

91119 is planned to be in the last 5

What's the source for that?

 

[nat67]

82216 was reported as the DVT.

I understand that the vehicles destined for Wales and Blackpool are highly likely to come from these first off-lease sets, I don't think specific vehicle (loco or coaching stock) identities have yet been released in to the public domain.

91122 has always been rare for me - one of my sub-5k mileage 91's and 1 of only 2 that I haven't had west of Edinburgh.

You've done better than me with the PC's - 43272 still required and 43315 not had since 24th July 1999.

I still need 91115, 91117 and 91122. Yes 91122 is a bit of a rare thing. I have had all of my EC power cars but only two of them cleared for 1K unfortunately.

 

[Will Potter]

What's the source for that?

Yesterday at the Crewe depot event

 

[hexagon789]

This is the 91 withdraw plan up to 30/06/2020

91108 - 30/07/2019
91120 - 30/07/2019
91132 - 30/07/2019

91103 - 31/08/2019

91104 - 31/01/2020
91117 - 31/01/2020

91111 - 28/02/2020
91116 - 28/02/2020

91110 - 31/03/2020
91122 - 31/03/2020
91128 - 31/03/2020

91102 - 30/04/2020
91107 - 30/04/2020
91115 - 30/04/2020
91125 - 30/04/2020
91129 - 30/04/2020
91131 - 30/04/2020

91101 - 31/05/2020
91106 - 31/05/2020
91126 - 31/05/2020
91127 - 31/05/2020

91105 - 30/06/2020
91109 - 30/06/2020

This is subject to change but is the current plan for the hand back of the 91’s

91119 is planned to be in the last 5

I'm going to take that with a pinch of salt.

 

[jopsuk]

What is certain is that today is the last planned use of 90s with mark 4s, confirmed here

As we bring more [URL='https://twitter.com/hashtag/Azuma?src=hash']#Azuma

trains into services, we say farewell to the old stalwarts. Today’s 1220 Kings Cross to Newcastle & 1615 Newcastle to Kings Cross are the last planned @LNER services to be worked by one of the class 90 locos we’ve been using. @That_Train_Guy

[/URL]

 

[gavin]

Not quite the 91 but the 90 LNER are using is due to be withdrawn today and it's final workings are

1N16 1222 Kings Cross to Newcastle
1Y42 1607 Newcastle to Kings Cross

 

[hexagon789]

What is certain is that today is the last planned use of 90s with mark 4s, confirmed here

That I do accept.

 

[clagmonster]

What is the score for the 8 not on the list?

 

[hwl]

What is the score for the 8 not on the list?

The original VTEC plan was to retain 6 sets for limited stop KGX- Edinburgh services which First have gate crashed some what.

 

[Aictos]

The MK4 set in Ferme Park yesterday ie Mk4s plus DVT is that a withdrawn set?

 

[43094]

I suspect that list maybe not entirely inaccurate.

I also suspect the 90 may be out again this coming week at some point (subject to the usual caveats).

 

[Dave91131]

Playing devil's advocate, that looks like something I could have typed up and printed in my home office in a few minutes.

On the other hand, taking it at face value, can anybody elaborate on what GSM-R 4.0 is? Can we draw any conclusions from this as to which locos may have a future working Blackpool and/or (very less likely in my view) Cardiff services?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Why would LNER spend all that time and money on fitting new wheelsets for 91103 only for it to be one of the first for withdrawal barely four months on...

 

[westcoaster]

4.0 is just what update the GSMR radio has had.

 

[urpert]

I noticed yesterday that the Mk4s are being fitted with colour information screens on the end walls, which actually seem to work (unlike similar systems installed elsewhere). Connections at intermediate stations, live progress, tube status etc.

I’ve never been a fan of the refurbished Mk4 seats but I have to say Edinburgh - KX yesterday, even on a very busy train, was a real pleasure. I shall miss them when they are gone.

 

[Brian Aylott]

What is the score for the 8 not on the list?

Were the 'missing' ones not on sheet 2?

Brian

 

[whhistle]

Playing devil's advocate, that looks like something I could have typed up and printed in my home office in a few minutes.

If it is official, what would you expect different?

I understand your point, but LNER have probably just typed up the list the same way anyone else would.

 

[Steveswan10]

91119 parked up on platform 2 at doncaster and 91115 being shunted into the siding on the works side of the station

 

[_toommm_]

Why would LNER spend all that time and money on fitting new wheelsets for 91103 only for it to be one of the first for withdrawal barely four months on...

The sets have to be returned in good working order, or there could be financial penalties for LNER - it's the same as with a hire car really.

 

[CosherB]

Why would LNER spend all that time and money on fitting new wheelsets for 91103 only for it to be one of the first for withdrawal barely four months on...

Simple - because the locos have to be handed back to the ROSCO in a fully operable condition and available for future use.

 

[Roast Veg]

That's up to the ROSCO and potential future operators, but it isn't up to LNER.