LNER to retain some Class 91s & Mk4 sets for a bit longer

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  1. D365

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    I can’t see why open access operators would want to take Class 91s in favour of Class 90s, unless they have a significant need for 125mph running, or there aren’t enough Class 90s to go around.
     
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    I travelled from Edinburgh to London in a first class Mk 4 today, and couldn't see out the window due to a huge amount of condensation between the panes. Another window of the same carriage had the same problem. I've never seen that before.
     
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    Blown window seal - let's moisture in between the panes of glass, it condenses and if left unfixed for long enough you can eventually get several inches of water building up at the bottom between the panes and it then sloshes about as the train accelerates and brakes.
     
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    Indeed - but something I also don't recall on GNER/NXEC/ECR/VTEC/LNER, so suggestive that Hitachi have allowed maintenance standards on the Mk4s to fall since taking over responsibility.
     
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    I used to see it frequently in the past, but it seems to have become much less common in recent years. I guess the double glazing units they are fitting now are better sealed than they used to be.
     
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    Just seen the Swallow liveried 91 roll into York. Glad these will be around for a bit longer :)
     
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    Doesn't it look fantastic? It's a classic livery on a really impressive machine. Really glad they did that repaint.
     
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    Indeed. They did a good job.

    To be fair, I saw it a lot at Leeds last year, then not at all as the Azumas came on line, so it's a bit of a reunion !
     
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    I travel between Edinburgh and London quite regularly, there's still quite a few Mark 4 sets on that.

    I reckon the Azuma is an impressive train, but an ECML without HSTs and 91s is going to take some getting used to.
     
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    I haven't seen any official confirmation, but has LNER officially said whether the retained 225s will be concentrated on Leeds workings? Or indeed any other details?

    Thanks for any info :)
     
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    Never a truer word said.

    Particularly the lack of HST's.
     
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    I've had it on 175s in the past. Can't recall any other specific train.
     
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    Its a failed double glazing unit. most trains have double glazed window units now so it will/can effect all fleets. depends on spares availabilty, and the available time to change them.
     
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    Any further details on number to be retained and or route they will be concentrated on?
     
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    In latest release of RAIL magazine it says they want to retain 10 sets but whether that’s set in concrete I’m not too sure
     
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    I've seen rumours, but last I'd heard LNER were still to officially confirmed the number of locos, Mk4 sets, how long they'd retain then for exactly and which route(s) they will be concentrated on.
     
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    I've seen that figure and concentration on Leeds workings mentioned, but as I said I haven't actually seen anything "proper" from LNER themselves as yet.
     
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    The March 2020 'Modern Railways' says "Around 10 sets are expected to be retained" - note the 'around' in there which suggests they aren't entirely sure. Whether they will be dedicated to certain routes is unconfirmed, but it seemed pretty certain that they'll stay as 9-car rakes until Dec 2021 after which they may be reduced to 2+7.
     
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    This must come as a bit of an embarrassment to the DfT who I assume wanted the entire ECML franchise to be IET operated. Is this a stop gap measure until all the IET sets are delivered and operating satisfactorily?
     
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    An East Coast without Delt1c’s took a lot of getting used to ( still miss the smell, sight and sound)
     
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    No, its because more services are planned for December 2021. These were not planned at the time of the IET order. A new order looks very likely but probably can't be delivered before 2023. It has to go out to an open tender, followed by the usual lead time to build them and get them into service. Compatibility requirements could be specified to make it a done deal for Hitachi.
     
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    Sorry for going OT but which infrastructure projects will provide the necessary paths for these?
     
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    Rail magazine reports some class 91s/MK4s to be kept by LNER until 2023:
    https://www.railmagazine.com/news/fleet/lner-to-keep-class-91s-until-2023

     
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    Werrington diveunder
    Kings Cross remodelling
    ECML power upgrades
    are possible examples.
     

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