Local Lockdown - North East England

[brad465]

Looks like we might have to expand this thread to include the North East soon:

Coronavirus: Restrictions expected in north-east England

Measures to stop households mixing and early pub closures are expected to be introduced on Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Almost two million people in north-east England are expected to face local restrictions as coronavirus cases rise.

Areas including Newcastle and Sunderland are due to be subject to new measures.

These are expected to include restrictions on households mixing and pubs being ordered to close earlier.

Newcastle City Council leader Nick Forbes said it was hoped the temporary measures would prevent a "full lockdown".

 

[philosopher]

Looks like we might have to expand this thread to include the North East soon:

Coronavirus: Restrictions expected in north-east England

Measures to stop households mixing and early pub closures are expected to be introduced on Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

At this rate it is going, almost the entire country will be under additional local restrictions soon!

 

[Ianno87]

At this rate it is going, almost the entire country will be under additional local restrictions soon!

Boris is right. There'll be no national lockdown.

Instead, lots of local lockdowns covering everywhere.

 

[Crossover]

At this rate it is going, almost the entire country will be under additional local restrictions soon!

All with minutely different rules for added confusion, no doubt!

 

[yorksrob]

Looks like we might have to expand this thread to include the North East soon:

Coronavirus: Restrictions expected in north-east England

Measures to stop households mixing and early pub closures are expected to be introduced on Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

If they want to try imposing "essential travel only" on me again, they can shove it.

 

[FQTV]

Sky News is reporting that parts of the North East will be subject to local ‘lockdown’ from Friday 18th September 2020.

Sky quotes North Durham MP Kevan Jones as having been present at a meeting to discuss the move.

Restrictions are reported to likely include 10pm curfew on bars and restaurants and no socialising between separate households.

Coronavirus: North East faces tighter lockdown restrictions from Friday

Measures include limits on socialising, a curfew for pubs and people being asked not to travel with other households.

news.sky.com

Large parts of the North East are set to be subjected to tighter lockdown restrictions that will be announced tomorrow.

The fresh coronavirus restrictions are expected to come into force on Friday.


An MP present at the meeting told Sky News that the areas affected are likely to be Newcastle, Northumberland, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshead, County Durham and Sunderland.

 

[Silver Cobra]

If they want to try imposing "essential travel only" on me again, they can shove it.

Sky News are being a little more optimistic with regards to this, saying that "essential travel only" would only be during the peak periods.

Coronavirus: North East faces tighter lockdown restrictions from Friday

Measures include limits on socialising, a curfew for pubs and people being asked not to travel with other households.

news.sky.com

The paper added that only essential visitors will be able to visit care homes and, except for essential journeys, public transport use and car-sharing will be discouraged at peak times.

 

[yorksrob]

Sky News are being a little more optimistic with regards to this, saying that "essential travel only" would only be during the peak periods.

Coronavirus: North East faces tighter lockdown restrictions from Friday

Measures include limits on socialising, a curfew for pubs and people being asked not to travel with other households.

news.sky.com

Well, I could live with that I suppose. It's still a nonsense, given that there's been no evidence that public transport is a major transmission factor.

 

[Alex C.]

BBC are reporting that the measures will include public transport being for "essential travel only" - has this been done in other local lockdowns?

edit: just realised this is being discussed in the north west lockdown topic

 

[johntea]

If a 10pm 'curfew' is introduced you have to wonder if some hospitality venues will even bother opening up at all for the day, probably not worth paying the staff and preparing everything just to have to close down a few hours later really!

 

[yorkie]

BBC are reporting that the measures will include public transport being for "essential travel only" - has this been done in other local lockdowns?

edit: just realised this is being discussed in the north west lockdown topic

There can never be any further restriction on the use of public transport over private transport; that would be illegal.

If you are referring to any external source, can you edit your post to include a link and quote please? Thanks

 

[yorkie]

Well, I could live with that I suppose. It's still a nonsense, given that there's been no evidence that public transport is a major transmission factor.

Any attempt to restrict people who do not have access to cars must be resisted. It could never be law as that would be illegal.

Best tone down the Brummie accent whilst in London though.

At my workplace in York, strong accents can be heard from all over the British Isles, so good luck to anyone trying to work out where someone lives from their accent

 

[Huntergreed]

If they intend to prevent me from doing the LNER diverts from Newcastle next weekend, they really have another thing coming

 

[DelayRepay]

Regarding the North East, the BBC quote a spokesman for the Department of Health and Social Care:

Any changes to local restrictions will be announced in the usual way.

So it is important that everyone in the North East follows Matt Hancock on Twitter and looks out for an 11pm tweet, given the restrictions will apparently take effect from midnight.

 

[Bantamzen]

Regarding the North East, the BBC quote a spokesman for the Department of Health and Social Care:



So it is important that everyone in the North East follows Matt Hancock on Twitter and looks out for an 11pm tweet, given the restrictions will apparently take effect from midnight.

Hancock: “But the lockdown plans were on display…”

Public: “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”

Hancock: “That’s the Covid Response Unit department.”

Public: “With a flashlight.”

Hancock: “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”

Public: “So had the stairs.”

Hancock: “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”

Public: “Yes, yes we did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

Patel: "Just don't ask for the Brexit plans....."

(Shamelessly adapted from the Bypass Planning scene from Douglas Adam's Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy)

 

[rg177]

I believe an announcement is due at 11am but I am expecting an iPhone notes app screenshot with spelling errors circa 11:45pm.

I must admit I was expecting some further restrictions but more like not going into each other's houses, strictly table service or outdoors only in restaurants and bars, rather than an outright ban on socialising.

I live in the NE, so let's see what effect these have. I'm fearful that many will just deem them to be a step too far, too harsh, etc, and simply ignore them.

 

[Smidster]

Boris is right. There'll be no national lockdown.

Instead, lots of local lockdowns covering everywhere.

That is certainly the feeling - Johnson will do anything to avoid having to make that TV address but life will become so restrictive that it is basically a national lockdown.

Apparently some of the ideas include applying the local restrictions on household mixing nationally (replacing the "rule of 6") or banning mixing in the workplace (thus taking away the only reason to go to the office)

It is going to be a dismal winter.

 

[AdamWW]

Sky News are being a little more optimistic with regards to this, saying that "essential travel only" would only be during the peak periods.

Coronavirus: North East faces tighter lockdown restrictions from Friday

Measures include limits on socialising, a curfew for pubs and people being asked not to travel with other households.

news.sky.com

The paper added that only essential visitors will be able to visit care homes and, except for essential journeys, public transport use and car-sharing will be discouraged at peak times.

Trying to reduce the number of people on public transport in the rush hour seem justifiable.

I'm at a loss as to why the risk of car sharing should vary depending on how busy the roads are.

 

[birchesgreen]

Trying to reduce the number of people on public transport in the rush hour seem justifiable.

I'm at a loss as to why the risk of car sharing should vary depending on how busy the roads are.

The car-sharing version of the virus only works peak hours, union rules.

 

[yorkie]

It's not about 'risk'

It's about imposing restrictions they think people can / will follow, that reduces the rate of transmission.

If you are to look at actual risks, to the people who are asked to make sacrifices, none of this makes any sense.

For example the tangible risks to most of society are massively increased by the imposition of restrictions; they are asking (on average) poorer, younger people to go through hardship for the benefit of (on average) wealthier, older people. Yes this is a simplification but the general gist of this holds true.

 

[Mag_seven]

Trying to reduce the number of people on public transport in the rush hour seem justifiable.

But there aren't any people travelling on public transport in the rush hour - all the supposed "rush hour" trains I have travelled on recently have been empty!

 

[AdamWW]

It's not about 'risk'

It's about imposing restrictions they think people can / will follow, that reduces the rate of transmission.

I mean the risk of transmission.

I fully agree that it's all about reducing transmission not risk to individuals - a point that a lot of people seem to miss, perhaps because the government isn't trying particularly hard to get it across.

For example the tangible risks to most of society are massively increased by the imposition of restrictions; they are asking (on average) poorer, younger people to go through hardship for the benefit of (on average) wealthier, older people. Yes this is a simplification but the general gist of this holds true.

As I have said before, I think there is a risk to everyone of living in a country where the health system has collapsed.

If we drop restrictions maybe that will happen, maybe it won't. The advice the government are getting is that this is something to be worried about, and I don't have the knowledge or experience to either support or challenge this view.

 

[AdamWW]

BBC are reporting that the measures will include public transport being for "essential travel only" - has this been done in other local lockdowns?

edit: just realised this is being discussed in the north west lockdown topic

Does anyone know of a map showing how much of the UK is being affected by local 'lockdowns'? Although I suppose such a thing would be very misleading when it comes to population affected.

 

[Bletchleyite]

If a 10pm 'curfew' is introduced you have to wonder if some hospitality venues will even bother opening up at all for the day, probably not worth paying the staff and preparing everything just to have to close down a few hours later really!

Why do you think that? Pubs used to have to close at 10:30pm on Sundays by law, and they still opened.

 

[Huntergreed]

Does anyone know of a map showing how much of the UK is being affected by local 'lockdowns'? Although I suppose such a thing would be very misleading when it comes to population affected.

As far as I know, right now it’s:

Glasgow and surrounding areas
Manchester and surrounding areas
Bolton (strict lockdown)
Preston
Birmingham and surrounding areas
Leicester and surrounding areas
Caerphilly (Very strict lockdown)
Rhondda Cynon Taf
Soon to be Newcastle/Durham/Sunderland

 

[williamn]

There doesn’t seem to be any evidence of transmission on public transport, studies in Germany and Spain have shown this, so it seems illogical to further drive people away from public transport into (more dangerous) cars.

 

[Bikeman78]

But there aren't any people travelling on public transport in the rush hour - all the supposed "rush hour" trains I have travelled on recently have been empty!

It is creeping up slowly. Going into Liverpool Street I've seen up to four people per 10 seats. On the other hand, I've seen 12 car Southern trains at the weekend with around 75% of seats taken. So leisure trips seem to be the top market for rail travel at the moment.

There doesn’t seem to be any evidence of transmission on public transport, studies in Germany and Spain have shown this, so it seems illogical to further drive people away from public transport into (more dangerous) cars.

Especially as those cars put cyclists and pedestrians at greater risk so I'm certainly not in favour of it.

 

[AdamWW]

It is creeping up slowly. Going into Liverpool Street I've seen up to four people per 10 seats. On the other hand, I've seen 12 car Southern trains at the weekend with around 75% of seats taken. So leisure trips seem to be the top market for rail travel at the moment.


Especially as those cars put cyclists and pedestrians at greater risk so I'm certainly not in favour of it.

I may have missed it, but in all the SAGE documents released I don't recall there being one looking at the evidence of transmission on public transport.

 

[DB]

I may have missed it, but in all the SAGE documents released I don't recall there being one looking at the evidence of transmission on public transport.

I don't recall one either - which would rather suggest that there are no actual studies!

 

[Huntergreed]

I don't recall one either - which would rather suggest that there are no actual studies!

Wasn’t there a study somewhere that concluded that the risk with no mitigation (distancing or masks) was around 1 in 11,000?