Locomotive Services Fleet (LSL) updates

[Jamesrob637]

Minor Update, 90002 Now carried the name "Wolf of Badenoch" as previously carried by scrapped 87002, and Ex Caley Sleeper 10520 now carries a rather bold and rather odd looking version of Blood and Custard.

87002 is the survivor. wasn't that 87027?

 

[43 302]

87002 is the survivor. wasn't that 87027?

Yep it was 87027.

 

[43 302]

37521 has taken 43046 + UID IC Swallow Mk3 + 43055 to Eastleigh as 5Z36. Returns today as 5Z37.

Edit: 10416

 

[Murray J]

what will it be returning with? have LSL got more HST powercars up at eastleigh or mk3s or something?

 

[43 302]

what will it be returning with? have LSL got more HST powercars up at eastleigh or mk3s or something?

Yes to both. Not sure on the retiurn though.

 

[fgwrich]

87002 is the survivor. wasn't that 87027?

Well I managed to get one out of two posts I made last night correct - That'll teach me for typing tired. Of course The Wolf was 027.

 

[43096]

Well I managed to get one out of two posts I made last night correct - That'll teach me for typing tired. Of course The Wolf was 027.

Need to get some “Hal o’the Wynd” plates on 90001 next!

 

[Tubeboy]

A bit off topic. Do LSL have their own drivers, or do they hire in staff from other TOC/FOCs?

 

[fgwrich]

A bit off topic. Do LSL have their own drivers, or do they hire in staff from other TOC/FOCs?

They do indeed have their own drivers, I believe a good number are ex DRS.

 

[47827]

They do indeed have their own drivers, I believe a good number are ex DRS.

Correct. There were (and possibly still are - covid dependent) regular hires off DB with crews used to either drive the train over certain sections, if they sign traction (some ex EWS/BR drivers are kept current on 37/47 etc for this), or conduct the LSL crew where knowledge wasn't available but LSL crew are needed for traction. Warrington and Crewe DB drivers that drove 47s up until 2004 then again for Riviera in 2008/09 as well as around depot confines after that are a favourite for this purpose. GBRF and DRS have also supplied drivers on occasions too although the latter company no longer permits 47s to be driven by their crews and will instead only be used for route conducting. LSL occasionally returns the favour with an example being an Oban railtour in 2019 operated by DB but LSL driving it on the West Highland owing to non availability of a driver that signed 37s as well as all of the route. Understand LSL sometimes hire guards from DB too but that only tends to happen during busier periods or due to sickness.

 

[43 302]

43043 + 43060 apparently soon to join the LSL fleet. Both currently stood down at NL.

 

[Colby James]

When are they due in for LSL by

 

[cce]

47501 is sat at Bristol temple meads today.

 

[Kingston Flyer]

There was a Saphos Railtour from Bristol to Carmarthen and back yesterday with Britannia (running as 70022 Tornado) so it may have been to do with that.

I wouldn't have thought so though, as there are a number of tours running out of there at the moment (English Riviera Express last Sunday, Pembroke Coast Express yesterday, another English Riviera next Sunday, Welsh Borders Express from Exeter to Shrewsbury (steam from Bristol) next Wednesday, and many others)

 

[St. Paddy]

From the Railway Herald today

 

[ainsworth74]

You can find further discussion on the "Blue Pullman" on a dedicated thread here.

 

[Simonhj]

As the LSL Fleet ever expands, and as various posts are spread across several different threads, I thought it's worth creating this thread to keep track of LSLs mainline diesel and electric fleet, stock movements and repaints etc.

Class 08:
08493 - Ex GWR BR Black livery.
D3905 / 08737 - BR Green
08780 - Blue.

Class 20:
D8096 / 20096 - BR Green. Either purchased or on long term hire from HNRC.
D8107 / 20107 - BR Green. Either purchased or on long term hire from HNRC.

Class 37:
37521 - BR Green
37667 - BR Green
37668 - BR Two Tone Grey / Trainload Construction sector. On hire from D05 Preservation Ltd.

Class 40:
40013 - BR Green. On hire to LSL.

Class 43:
43046 - Currently in EMT, New livery unknown. Purchased from Porterbrook. At Eastleigh.
43055 - Currently in EMT, New livery unknown. Purchased from Porterbrook. At Eastleigh.
43083 - Currently in EMT, New livery unknown. Purchased from Porterbrook. At Eastleigh.


Class 47:
D1944 / 47501 - BR Two Tone Green
47593 (790) - BR Large Logo
47712 - BR ScotRail. On hire from Crewe Diesel Preservation Group
D1935 / 47805 - BR Two Tone Green
D1924 / 47810 - BR Two Tone Green
D1733 / 47853 - BR Monastral Blue

Class 55:
D9000 / 55022 - BR Blue

Class 86:
86101 - Intercity Swallow

Class 87:
87002 - Intercity Swallow

Class 90:
90001 - Intercity Swallow
90002 - Intercity Swallow - Now named "Wolf of Badenoch" (previously carried on 87027).

Class 121:
121034 - BR Green.

Mk1:

MK1 BSK:
35317, 35465, 35451 - Carmine and Cream
35333, 35461 - Chocolate and Cream
99241 - livery unknown.

Mk1 BCK:
21096 - A4 Loco Trust Support Vehicle - Carmine and Cream. Currently in store in Margate.

Mk1 BG:
6311 - Carmine and Cream

MK1 FO:
99993, 3100, 3148, 3125, 3122 - Carmine and Cream

MK1 FK:
13227 - Carmine and Cream

MK1 RK:
80044 - Carmine and Cream

Mk2:

MK2A TSO:
5366 - Carmine and Cream

MK2A BFK
17056, 17080 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery

MK2D BFK:
17159 - Carmine and Cream

MK2D BSO:
9479 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery

MK2D TSO:
5991 - Carmine and Cream
3188 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery

MK2D RFB:
1203 - Carmine and Cream
1211 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery

MK2E FO:
3231, 3229 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery

MK2F TSO:
5991 - Carmine and Cream
5912 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery

MK2F FO:
3330 - Carmine and Cream
3312, 3344, 3348, 3384, 3426 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery.

MK2F RLO:
6708 - Statesman Rail Pullman Livery. On hire from Eastern Rail Services.

Mk3:

Mk3 Sleepers:

10520 - Blood and Custard

10504, 10513, 10519, 10648, 10650, 10683, 10688

*All except as noted currently in ex First ScotRail Barbie / Caledonian Sleeper livery.

Mk3 Loco Hauled:
TSO - 10224, 12111, 12171
TSOB - 10411, 10416
FO - 11068, 11070, 11075, 11076, 11077, 11087, 11091, 11098
DVT - 82127 - Intercity Swallow, 82139 - Greater Anglia.

*All currently in ex Greater Anglia livery except for 10416 which is now in Intercity Swallow Livery (repainted by Arriva Traincare Crewe).

Mk3 HST Vehicles:
TC - 46006, 46012, 46014
TRFB - 40801, 40802, 40804, 40808
TRSMB - 40106
TF - 41059, 41108, 41149, 41162, 41169, 41176, 41182, 41187
TS - 42319, 42583
TGS - 44078, 44081

*All HST Vehicles currently in FGW Dynamic Lines & First GWR Green livery.

Currently in Eastleigh are:
43046/055/083
5366, 17080, 10416
46014, 40802, 46006, 40801, 44078, 41059, 41108, 41162, 41169, 41176, 41182

All compiled from info from Flickr / Carl Watsons website & @Phil Scott . I will update the thread accordingly, and include the Mk1 & Mk2 fleets when and where possible!

In addition LSL also have the 5-BEL Brighton Belle EMU which they have been assembling and restoring over the last few years. Not sure on what the status is with this and how Covid will have impacted long term plans.

S

 

[Colby James]

Well at least 046 and 055 will turn out in Blue Pullman. not sure what 083 will do.

I know 043 and 060 might actually most likely either appear Flying Banana or probably Executive or Swallow most likely not sure on that at least they need one set an heritage colours and one a blue pullman.

 

[47827]

In addition LSL also have the 5-BEL Brighton Belle EMU which they have been assembling and restoring over the last few years. Not sure on what the status is with this and how Covid will have impacted long term plans.

S

Think it's a separate preservation group with the LSL owner being a major sponsor. It may be that LSL land up with first dibs on using/leasing/hiring it and will become the TOC to move it about as a result though so it joins their fleet partially in the same sense of a number of locomotives have done lately.

 

[fgwrich]

Think it's a separate preservation group with the LSL owner being a major sponsor. It may be that LSL land up with first dibs on using/leasing/hiring it and will become the TOC to move it about as a result though so it joins their fleet partially in the same sense of a number of locomotives have done lately.

Correct - The Belle is owned fully by the 5 Belle Trust, however Mr Hosking has been a major supporter & benefactor of the trust and it is likely that once it is ready for Mainline testing, will probably be operated under LSL / Saphos etc. It may also explain why they have taken on a 73/0, although that remains in store in Crewe and at the moment, is not mainline registered (so not on the list!).

 

[Wyrleybart]

Correct - The Belle is owned fully by the 5 Belle Trust, however Mr Hosking has been a major supporter & benefactor of the trust and it is likely that once it is ready for Mainline testing, will probably be operated under LSL / Saphos etc. It may also explain why they have taken on a 73/0, although that remains in store in Crewe and at the moment, is not mainline registered (so not on the list!).

I agree with you regarding 73001, but there is a slight snag. 73/0 as built and operated by BR were unable to supply ETH when operating on diesel. The decision makers at LSL would have been aware of this when they acquired it and 73002. It is my guess that :
a) LSL are considering upgrading parts of 001 or 002 to 73/1 capability so it can supply train supply on diesel
b) fully convert one or other to 73/9
c) acquire a 73/1 or 33/1

a) is possible with lots of cash and a good VAB
b) is extremely unlikely
c) is most probable.

 

[43096]

I agree with you regarding 73001, but there is a slight snag. 73/0 as built and operated by BR were unable to supply ETH when operating on diesel. The decision makers at LSL would have been aware of this when they acquired it and 73002. It is my guess that :
a) LSL are considering upgrading parts of 001 or 002 to 73/1 capability so it can supply train supply on diesel
b) fully convert one or other to 73/9
c) acquire a 73/1 or 33/1

a) is possible with lots of cash and a good VAB
b) is extremely unlikely
c) is most probable.

I always understood it that a 73/0 could heat a train on diesel (but not heat and haul) while a 73/1 couldn't heat on diesel at all?

In any case, other than one of the GBRf 73/9 conversions, a 73 of either JA or JB types is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard when considering diesel haulage of the BEL. Too little power to be of use.

 

[47827]

I always understood it that a 73/0 could heat a train on diesel (but not heat and haul) while a 73/1 couldn't heat on diesel at all?

In any case, other than one of the GBRf 73/9 conversions, a 73 of either JA or JB types is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard when considering diesel haulage of the BEL. Too little power to be of use.

Yes. By itself that's right. Any of the blue star classes (LSL have both 20s and 37s) could multi with the 73 in diesel mode if ever traction away from the 3rd rail is needed, e.g if the set needed to travel about for maintenance, display or a destination further afield. I expect it will stay on home turf all or most of the time though as there are plenty of convential carriages for use away from the Southern Region that are nice enough to travel in.

 

[DB]

Does LSL have any ETS generator vans?

 

[matt]

Does LSL have any ETS generator vans?

Yes they have got at least 1 mark one genny van.

 

[CW2]

Yes. By itself that's right. Any of the blue star classes (LSL have both 20s and 37s) could multi with the 73 in diesel mode if ever traction away from the 3rd rail is needed, e.g if the set needed to travel about for maintenance, display or a destination further afield. I expect it will stay on home turf all or most of the time though as there are plenty of convential carriages for use away from the Southern Region that are nice enough to travel in.

So would it be theoretically possible for (say) a 37+73 combination to haul the train, with the 37 providing traction and the 73 providing train heat (only)?

 

[DB]

So would it be theoretically possible for (say) a 37+73 combination to haul the train, with the 37 providing traction and the 73 providing train heat (only)?

So far as I am aware, yes provided it was a 73/0 - but they wouldn't need to be in multi for that as the 73 would effectively just be a generator van.

Not sure what the ETS index of th 73 would be, though.

 

[CW2]

So far as I am aware, yes provided it was a 73/0 - but they wouldn't need to be in multi for that as the 73 would effectively just be a generator van.

Not sure what the ETS index of th 73 would be, though.

Wouldn't it be necessary to have it either in multi or with a rider on board, for fire monitoring purposes?

 

[DB]

Wouldn't it be necessary to have it either in multi or with a rider on board, for fire monitoring purposes?

Probably need a rider. Not sure that being in multi would be practical as there would be no way of turning on or off thr ETS from the lead loco.

 

[CW2]

Probably need a rider. Not sure that being in multi would be practical as there would be no way of turning on or off thr ETS from the lead loco.

Surely that is no different to the situation with 37 + ETHEL on the West Highland Line? The ETH controls were all in the ETHEL, and any class 37 could work with it without modification.