Locomotives bricked-up inside of tunnels.

[shredder1]

Nothing as far as I know was "stored" in the tunnel. It was a working tunnel even after the demise of the Whitby line, with daily weekday access needed to Gallows Close goods yard.

What was done on some busy holiday days was that the line leading up to the tunnel entrance on the station side was used to stable a locomotive.

On the subject of buried locomotives, 27043 is buried at Patersons tip, Mount Vernon, Glasgow. The disposal was done due to high asbestos content. A DMU and railbus are also buried there.

Simiilarly, at least one DMU vehicle from the Lockington rail crash was buried at a tip nearby.

Definitely in the tunnel, I walked through it, possibly stabled, I`m not sure.

 

[scarby]

Definitely in the tunnel, I walked through it, possibly stabled, I`m not sure.

Yes, sounds as if it must have been a holiday day. There were daily goods movements on weekdays.

Wow, so you walked through it, well that's another topic altogether (not that I suppose there was much to see!). I've been through, but in a loco cab.

 

[shredder1]

Yes, sounds as if it must have been a holiday day. There were daily goods movements on weekdays.

Wow, so you walked through it, well that's another topic altogether (not that I suppose there was much to see!). I've been through, but in a loco cab.

I went through to get the numbers, such a shame its all gone, we took family holidays to Scarborough back in the 50`s, from Manchester, usually changed for a B1 from York, I can still remember my dad taking me to the end of York platform once to see the Golden Fleece heading south, it was probably the first A4 I saw

 

[30907]

It is my understanding someone else did the original illustrators but Rev Awdury wasn't happy as they didn't look accurate enough for a steam engine, so he had them redone. If I've misremembered this, do correct me.

Think you're right about complaining. And I've always assumed that the story about Henry's rebuild with a Belpaire firebox was because an artist changed the picture - but that's probably a Sodor urban myth

 

[Pigeon]

No, it's true. He had difficulty finding an artist who understood that things like Belpaire fireboxes existed and were important to draw correctly. Henry's rebuild was because the original artist had made such a hash of it that he looked more like a green Gordon than anything else, so when a decent artist was finally found Henry became a Black 5 to relieve the confusion.

The decent artist was accurate with locations as well as locomotives. For instance Gordon's Hill is recognisably the Lickey.

 

[Merthyr Imp]

What really happened with Henry of course was that when he was wrecked in the 'Flying Kipper' smash in 1935 Topham Hatt was able to call in a few favours from his old Swindon apprentice pal William Stanier to get the engine renewed as a 'Black' 5.

 

[shredder1]

What really happened with Henry of course was that when he was wrecked in the 'Flying Kipper' smash in 1935 Topham Hatt was able to call in a few favours from his old Swindon apprentice pal William Stanier to get the engine renewed as a 'Black' 5.

That was a terrible accident, I remember reading about it at the time

 

[krus_aragon]

No, it's true. He had difficulty finding an artist who understood that things like Belpaire fireboxes existed and were important to draw correctly. Henry's rebuild was because the original artist had made such a hash of it that he looked more like a green Gordon than anything else, so when a decent artist was finally found Henry became a Black 5 to relieve the confusion.

Likewise, to cover up the fact that Thomas's buffers had originally been drawn incorrectly, he was driven into a stationmaster's house, so he could have an in-world reason to be sent to the works to be repaired.

 

[Cowley]

That was a terrible accident, I remember reading about it at the time

Didn’t the guard of the train that Henry rear ended get catapulted out of his destroyed guards van and end up upside down in a snowdrift with his legs in the air?
Henry was having a good stint in his original condition as well, having been given a supply of decent Welsh steam coal I believe.

 

[Eyersey468]

Didn't Donald reverse into a signal box in one of the stories? Was there a reason for that?

 

[Merthyr Imp]

Didn’t the guard of the train that Henry rear ended get catapulted out of his destroyed guards van and end up upside down in a snowdrift with his legs in the air?

Yes - just as he was enjoying the best cup of cocoa he'd ever had as well.

 

[70014IronDuke]

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On the subject of buried locomotives, 27043 is buried at Patersons tip, Mount Vernon, Glasgow. The disposal was done due to high asbestos content. A DMU and railbus are also buried there.

Simiilarly, at least one DMU vehicle from the Lockington rail crash was buried at a tip nearby.

If we are going to include buried locomotives (not just in tunnels), then mention must be made of a Fowler 2-6-4T under the M1 service station north of Mill Hill (I think it is). Used in a WW2 film and crashed (supposedly as a German locomotive) c 1963. Some sort of escape from German prison camp film, IIRC. It was just too expensive to get it out of some sort of pit.

 

[mark edwards]

If you include buried then you must mention those diesels buried in Scotland which had asbestos. Cant remember which ones but believe they were wrapped up at St Rollex

 

[Cowley]

Yes - just as he was enjoying the best cup of cocoa he'd ever had as well.

I loved the artwork in that book with Henry charging through the snow covered countryside.
So atmospheric.

 

[Cowley]

If you include buried then you must mention those diesels buried in Scotland which had asbestos. Cant remember which ones but believe they were wrapped up at St Rollex

Mentioned by Scarby in post #60.

 

[CatfordCat]

Fascinating - it triggers a vague recollection that some out of use coaching stock was stored in a tunnel during ww2 (SR Pullmans?), but this may be my fertile imagination (the only disused tunnel I can think of is Ramsgate Harbour LCDR). Either of those might have triggered the Henry story, but all this is speculation.

This set off a faint memory - sidings at Crystal Palace (again LCDR) were used for storage of stock during WW2 - but not by the sounds of it, the tunnel (although it is possible it could have been used after the line was mothballed in 1944 around the same time as the V1 / V2 bombing campaign started, with south london getting the worst of it) - bit more on Disused Stations - also refers to various local urban myths about a buried train on the branch (or possibly the nearby atmospheric railway).

 

[theageofthetra]

Didn’t the guard of the train that Henry rear ended get catapulted out of his destroyed guards van and end up upside down in a snowdrift with his legs in the air?
Henry was having a good stint in his original condition as well, having been given a supply of decent Welsh steam coal I believe.

Henry was incorrectly drawn as a Greenly Atlantic at first by Reg Dalby (him & The Rev had many rows over accuracy) -hence the rebuild

 

[theageofthetra]

The Rev got a lot of his stories from abroad- often published in The Railway Gazette.

I'm pretty sure this may be the real life one which lead to the story. The more recent history with the personal obsession of one railfan is worth further research as he has been banned from further excavations & running tours as possibly something is down there the city authorities would rather not be found!

https://jalopnik.com/a-train-from-1836-could-be-buried-in-brooklyn-because-o-1693833760

 

[Cowley]

The Rev got a lot of his stories from abroad- often published in The Railway Gazette.

I'm pretty sure this may be the real life one which lead to the story. The more recent history with the personal obsession of one railfan is worth further research as he has been banned from further excavations & running tours as possibly something is down there the city authorities would rather not be found!

https://jalopnik.com/a-train-from-1836-could-be-buried-in-brooklyn-because-o-1693833760

That’s a very interesting story. I hope they get the chance to look behind the brick wall someday.

 

[rf_ioliver]

Lots in Box Tunnel - a friend of a friend told me - and there's also complete train carrying gold in Poland somewhere...

There are certainly tunnel boring machines bricked up around the place....

 

[theageofthetra]

Another buried loco in the US. As the article explains when the NY elevated was electrified their still quite new Forney locos were bought various contractors for road building schemes. Once the road was built they had no further use for them.

http://www.brooklynrail.net/BuriedLocomotives.html

 

[Edders23]

Many mine locos were left in coal mines when abandoned perhaps this is the source of the story ?

 

[Darandio]

Lots in Box Tunnel - a friend of a friend told me -

Yup, loads.

And an equal amount of cranks going around making the claims that they are there.

and there's also complete train carrying gold in Poland somewhere...

Didn't Dan Snow look for that on a documentary a couple of years back?

 

[Clarence Yard]

If we are going to include buried locomotives (not just in tunnels), then mention must be made of a Fowler 2-6-4T under the M1 service station north of Mill Hill (I think it is). Used in a WW2 film and crashed (supposedly as a German locomotive) c 1963. Some sort of escape from German prison camp film, IIRC. It was just too expensive to get it out of some sort of pit.

Urban myth. It was actually cut up on site by scrappies. A few railwaymen I worked with several years later told me they saw it being done.

 

[Cowley]

Urban myth. It was actually cut up on site by scrappies. A few railwaymen I worked with several years later told me they saw it being done.

Clarence Yard - I think a bit of all of us died after reading this...

 

[Jagdpanther]

In the 80s/90s I lived in Liverpool and several times heard rumours from friends of friends of friends who had explored an 'abandoned tunnel' under the city and found an old train. This varied from a 'wrecked steam engine' to a 'diesel engine lying on its side'.Most intriguing of course and a bit of research in the library (no internet then)led to finding out about the Waterloo and Wapping tunnels. In those days they were still accessible so suitably equipped we set out to explore and find the mythical train. No such thing of course although we did find some wagon axles and a burnt out Mk2 Escort!

 

[RLBH]

Heading slightly off topic, my dad one told me about a rumour of a huge number of surplus US army vehicles being buried underground somewhere in the vicinity of Castle Bromwich airfield in Birmingham just after the war as they had far more than they would ever need and burying them was the cheapest, easiest option.

There's a lot of US-supplied kit that's either been buried or dumped at sea - one of the conditions of wartime Lend-Lease was that after the end of the war it had to be either paid for, returned to the US, or rendered unserviceable. There was far more kit than we needed, or could afford, and even shipping it back to the US would have been inordinately expensive, so it had to be trashed. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a number of locomotives had met their end this way.

It still goes on, too - F-111 strike aircraft retired by the Australians a few years ago were cut into pieces, the pieces crushed by bulldozers, then the mangled remains buried, because the terms of the sale required that they were returned to the US (same problem, too expensive) or destroyed in three separate ways. In this case, they were designed as nuclear-capable, so the US was understandably paranoid.

 

[theblackwatch]

If you include buried then you must mention those diesels buried in Scotland which had asbestos. Cant remember which ones but believe they were wrapped up at St Rollex

As Cowley stated, this has also been mentioned. I also heard or read a claim once that a couple of the Mk.2 coaches involved in the accident with 47208 at Invergowrie were buried by or in the river as they couldn't be retrieved, but other (more likely) reports suggest they were scrapped on site.

 

[shredder1]

Didn’t the guard of the train that Henry rear ended get catapulted out of his destroyed guards van and end up upside down in a snowdrift with his legs in the air?
Henry was having a good stint in his original condition as well, having been given a supply of decent Welsh steam coal I believe.

Yes that's the one mate

 

[Paulwoking]

Go South Young Man!

New Zealand has numerous buried locomotives, dumped to shore up river banks near railway land when scrap values where very low. Some have been retrieved.

A number of places. Google will find them.