HSTs (aka InterCity 125s) and 225s.uktrain225 said:Is there any routes from london to Edinburgh?If yes, How was the speed limits?What kind of trains does it use??
ps.I'm come from HK.
STATION TIMETABLE ACTUAL STATUS DISTANCE AVG SPD Edinburgh Waverley Dep 05:50 On time Berwick-upon-Tweed Arr 06:31 06:37 6 LATE 57 miles 73mph Berwick-upon-Tweed Dep 06:31 06:38 7 LATE Newcastle Arr 07:16 07:22 6 LATE 67 miles 91mph Newcastle Dep 07:18 07:23 5 LATE York Arr 08:08 08:14 6 LATE 80 miles 94mph York Dep 08:10 08:16 6 LATE London Kings Cross Arr 10:04 10:00 4 EARLY 189 miles 108mph
Yep, you can even go out of Paddington and arrive back into Liverpool St!WSXFan said:Isn't London to Edinburgh also valid via Glasgow? I recall being told that at Euston by the advance travel staff!
Yep, typically 10 mins and WAGN tend to get priority That train did very well and must have had very few signal checks!WSXFan said:As for the early arrival into London, isn't that due to the fact PBO - KGX, on GNER services at least, is pumped with quite a bit of slack time?
Yep. Heading South on the ECML, there is not much slack time until the approach to King's Cross. If you get a clear run you can be early. I expect to be early if we're on time at Peterborough.WSXFan said:Also relies on not being put behind a WAGN semi-fast or stopper IIRC. ATF use that cheat as well, pumping some services with truck loads of slack time on its mainline services to both enable a clockface timetable for most of the day and to ensure delays are dealt with accordingly. Gloucester to Maesteg services can be seen sitting in Cardiff for 20 minutes!
None of this nonsense on the ECML. There is a little pathing time here and there, but nothing on that scale. The only exception would be Edinburgh Waverley for through trains, but given the huge number boarding/alighting it is fully justified.WSXFan said:Manchester/Crewe to Milford Haven/Carmarthen services can be seen in Cardiff sitting there for 10 - 15 minutes too. I've seen services at Hereford arrive 7 minutes ahead of its booked arrival time, which was outstanding. But that had to be due to slack times being used. There are plenty of other examples, but these can be found easily browsing ATF's timetables.
I listed all stops, and yes it's non-stop (as is the 0700 from Newcastle). Yes it had an excellent run. This train is probably the best southbound to get if you want a good run, definitely better than the one that precedes it. You have to be late at York to do it in 1 hr 45 though, if it's on time leaving York it will take at least 1 hr 50 as it will catch up with preceding trains before King's Cross!WSXFan said:Point is this seems to happen with GNER south of PBO, hence it being able to arrive early despite leaving YRK 6 down. Can't have been on a non-stop service to KGX at that time of day, and it would have had to have the best run on the ECML in ages to manage to pick up that much time.
I think the service levels will be related to demand and capacity.WSXFan said:EDIT: Forgot to add that Glasgow probably doesn't get such high levels of service due to it not being the capital of Scotland. If it were, it would deserve good service, but Edinburgh is the capital, hence the reasonable service to it.
I'd argue it's not cheating.ChrisCooper said:I have to admit, my personal opinion is that small amounts of slack at critcal points in the journey is a very good idea, but having massive amounts of slack just before the terminus is cheating. The former benefits all passengers by imporving reliability along the whole route, the latter benefits passengers travelling to the terminus, but mainly benefits the performance statistics. Whatever is done, TOCs should be honest, and people should judge them equally and without predudice.
I agree with thatyorkie said:On the other hand you could re-jig the timetable to give GNER more priority heading South, but then there is more chance of the GNER losing it's path, as they won't want to keep WAGNs waiting at places like Hitchin junction if the GNER is a couple of minutes down.
IIRC, It's 110mph both North and South, except if the train is coming from, or going onto the Leeds line which is a 70mph junctionyorkie said:then back up to 125 until Doncaster (which I believe is 100 n/b and 80 s/b but I am not sure, it's rare to achieve full speed and TSRs are here common)