London Terminals->Edinburgh via Oxford

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ywy1234

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Hi there,

Is the East Coast's half price super off-peak single from London to Edinburgh valid via Oxford? I cannot find any train of that route on east coast's website, but I can find many on NRE or thetrainline.

Another question: Can I use that ticket from London to Oxford, and catch another train departs earlier than 12pm next morning to Edinburgh via Birmingham, Carlisle?

Thanks!
 
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According to the T&C of the half-price Super Off Peak ticket, travel is allowed on any operator but break of journey is not allowed.

3. Travel by any operator along the route shown for your journey. 50% discount is applied to the usual Super Off-Peak single for your journey with route “Any Permitted” being shown on your ticket.
6. You may not start, break and resume or terminate your journey at any intermediate station. If you do so you will have to pay extra, up to the normal price of the Super Off-Peak Single ticket for that journey.
 

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According to the T&C of the half-price Super Off Peak ticket, travel is allowed on any operator but break of journey is not allowed.

Thanks! If you search London to Edinburgh via Birmingham New Street on the eastcoast website, you will find London Euston 23:30 -Birmingham New Street 01:36 and Birmingham New Street 06:19 - Edinburgh 10:21 the next day is valid for the Half Price Super Off Peak Single. Is this a BOJ?
 

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The definition of break of journey is in the National Rail Conditions of Carriage (NRCoC), and published on the National Rail website.

NRCoC said:
16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a return
ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you
want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return
ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However, these rights may not apply to
some types of tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited, in which case the relevant
Train Companies will make this clear in their notices and other publications.
If you start, break and resume, or end your journey at an intermediate station
when you are not entitled to do so, you will be liable to pay an excess fare. This excess
fare will be the difference between the price paid for the ticket you hold and the price of
the lowest priced ticket(s) available for immediate travel that would have entitled you to
start, break and resume, or end your journey at that station on the service(s) you have
used.
A ticket which entitles you to travel on the London Underground and/or
Docklands Light Railway does not entitle you to break and resume your journey at any of
the stations on these networks unless it is a Season Ticket or a Travelcard.

For the purposes of this Condition and Condition 11, you will be treated as breaking your
journey if you leave a Train Company’s or Rail Service Company’s stations after you start
your journey other than
:

(i) to join a train at another station, or

(ii) to stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably

complete your journey within one day, or

(iii) to follow any instructions given by a member of a Train Company’s staff.

  • Going to M&S on the station at Birmingham New St is not a break of journey.
  • Exiting Birmingham New Street for the purpose of catching a train from Birmingham Moor Street is not a break of journey.
  • Exiting Birmingham New Street to attend a meeting in a hotel would be a break of journey.


Valid Routes from London Terminals to Edinburgh [EDB]:

  1. Direct trains from London to Edinburgh
  2. Shortest Route: 391.75 miles
    • London Kings Cross
    • Stevenage
    • Peterborough
    • Grantham
    • Newark North Gate
    • York
    • Northallerton
    • Darlington
    • Chester-le-Street
    • Newcastle
    • Alnmouth
    • Dunbar
    • Drem
    • Longniddry
    • Prestonpans
    • Wallyford
    • Musselburgh
    • Edinburgh

  3. Mapped Routes (origin and destination are both Routeing Points):
    LONDON GROUP - EDINBURGH GROUP:
 

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Thanks!

I see. In this case, as long as I arrive at Oxford from London later than 17:07 (the last service from Oxford to Edinburgh not via London) using the half price super off peak day single ticket, I am allowed to stay overnight at Oxford, and catch any train next morning to Edinburgh, right?


The definition of break of journey is in the National Rail Conditions of Carriage (NRCoC), and published on the National Rail website.




  • Going to M&S on the station at Birmingham New St is not a break of journey.
  • Exiting Birmingham New Street for the purpose of catching a train from Birmingham Moor Street is not a break of journey.
  • Exiting Birmingham New Street to attend a meeting in a hotel would be a break of journey.


Valid Routes from London Terminals to Edinburgh [EDB]:

  1. Direct trains from London to Edinburgh
  2. Shortest Route: 391.75 miles
    • London Kings Cross
    • Stevenage
    • Peterborough
    • Grantham
    • Newark North Gate
    • York
    • Northallerton
    • Darlington
    • Chester-le-Street
    • Newcastle
    • Alnmouth
    • Dunbar
    • Drem
    • Longniddry
    • Prestonpans
    • Wallyford
    • Musselburgh
    • Edinburgh

  3. Mapped Routes (origin and destination are both Routeing Points):
    LONDON GROUP - EDINBURGH GROUP:
 

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The rules on overnight break of journey have changed, the new rules apparently contain an error (and a memo to staff issued but the error not actually fixed) and the old rules are still shown in many sources of information. A search for overnight break site:railforums.co.uk on Google will show you previous topics debating this issue, it most recently cropped up in this topic however the OP wanted to break on the 2nd night, but many of the principles were debated. I'd particularly note this post from a topic last September from an authoritative source.

However, please do consider the T&Cs that are presented you at the time that you form the contract. These T&Cs may differ depending on the purchase method (in this case you only have one option for this particular ticket: the EC website). If you agree to a contract (see EC web-only super off peak singles thread) then the terms presented to you apply. There's absolutely no requirement to go searching for hidden terms that conflict with terms that are presented to you and may restrict you from doing something that your contract entitles you to!
 

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If you take those restrictions literally then you can only catch trains that depart from Kings Cross. The journey planner also allows other departures, so one of them is wrong.

I am not sure about taking 'any' train the following morning, as you would normally have to obey the time restrictions.
 
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