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cambsy

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Travelling London to Manchester on Wednesday and would like to know permitted routes I can take on any permitted routes ticket.
 
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Assuming it is a Any Permitted routed ticket, I know (without consulting the routing guide at this hour) Manchester to Euston is allowed, also allowed is Manchester - Birmingham - Euston, I therefore assume that Manchester - Birmingham -Marylebone and Manchester - Birmingham - Oxford - Reading - Paddington would be fine. In addition, I know that Manchester - Sheffield - St Pancras is also a permitted route.

I am sure someone will be along shortly to provide greater detail (or correct me if I am wrong). But I hope that gives you some food for thought.
 

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BM + GC : Manchester to Birmingham via Stoke or Crewe, then Birmingham to London with Chiltern
RM + RG : Manchester to Reading via Stoke/Crewe, Birmingham, Solihull/Coventry, then Reading to London via Slough
MA: Manchester to London via Crewe/Stoke, then via Birmingham or Tamworth, as well as all lines in-between, and onwards direct or via Northampton to London
NR + BM + GC : Same as the first, but allows travelling via Warrington Central.
NR + MA : Same as MA, but allows for travelling via both Warrington Central.
NR + RM + PG : As the second, but once again also allowed via Warrington Central
PR : Manchester to Sheffield, then either via Nottingham or Derby to Leicester and London
 
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....NR + BM + GC : Same as the first, but allows travelling via Warrington Central (not sure about via Eccles to WBQ)
NR + MA : Same as MA, but allows for travelling via both Warrington Central, as well as via Eccles to Warrington Bank Quay
NR + RM + PG : As the second, but once again also allowed via Warrington Central....

None of these allow travel via Eccles.
 

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None of these allow travel via Eccles.
Although there are other tickets (such as a London-Ashton-under-Lyne "via Manchester" one) which would allow this at no extra cost, if cambsy doesn't need specifically to have a London-Manchester ticket.

There are quite a lot of tickets in the area for the same price off peak, so if there's a particular route cambsy would like to take, there probably is a ticket which will allow travel from London to Manchester using that route.
 

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Although there are other tickets (such as a London-Ashton-under-Lyne "via Manchester" one) which would allow this at no extra cost, if cambsy doesn't need specifically to have a London-Manchester ticket....

Stalybridge maybe, I can see a point of view for Ashton, but to be honest I think it's a pretty flimsy one with no benefit over Stalybridge.

....There are quite a lot of tickets in the area for the same price off peak, so if there's a particular route cambsy would like to take, there probably is a ticket which will allow travel from London to Manchester using that route.

Not convinced about that either, most stations in the area will use Manchester as the Routeing Point.
 

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Stalybridge maybe, I can see a point of view for Ashton, but to be honest I think it's a pretty flimsy one with no benefit over Stalybridge.
I'm not exactly what point you're trying to make here.

London-Manchester and London-Stalybridge each allow a lot of routes. A lot of these are the same in each case, but there are differences.

For instance, you can go from London to Manchester on maps GC+BM via Leamington and Lichfield, but you can't go to Stalybridge that way at all.

Meanwhile, you can go from London to Stalybridge on maps MA+MR via Earlestown and Manchester Picadilly, but that's not a valid route to Manchester itself.

A London-Ashton ticket can be used on either set of routes. If you buy an "any permitted" off peak ticket (which London-Stalybridge doesn't have), it's also slightly cheaper than the Manchester equivalent.
Not convinced about that either, most stations in the area will use Manchester as the Routeing Point.
I don't think there's anywhere in Greater Manchester (or Merseyside, for that matter) which has a higher off-peak fare to London than Manchester Stations has. There are plenty of other routeing points in the area.
 
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Ashton has two routeing points, one is Manchester Group (same routes as Manchester-London), the other is Stalybridge (SYB-London would allow travel via Victoria and Eccles, AHN-London would require travel via SYB and Piccadilly). Last I checked they were all the same fare.

Whilst many other Greater Manchester stations have the same fare, they may not have any better routeing options.
 
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