London Underground Circle Map (note: huge image)

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  1. GodAtum

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    It seems to be reinventing the wheel. What advantage does this have over the current design?
     
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    It distorts the edges too much with lines changing direction.
    River is better though.
     
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    If it's supposed to be an accurate reprsentation of all the lines once Crossrail is up and running, why aren't the new LO lines in Essex shown?

    It's harder to follow than the current map.
     
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    It's not new, and it's clearly a novelty/artistic map.

    So if it's to be judged, it should be judged on that basis, and not for the purposes of usability. Clearly no-one is going to use this map as a journey planning tool and I'm sure it was never intended to be used for that purpose!
     
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    Some would say that the current map is broken!

    However, this is quite obviously just an artistic piece, rather than something that is designed to be usable day-in-day-out.

    My assumption on that is given its age, it was created after Crossrail's route was finalised and publicised, but before the Overground takeover of the Essex lines was.
     
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    Interesting. I've never had a problem using it. But that does not mean that others have not had a problem.

    What criticism is there of the current map?
     
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    I believe one of the criticisms Beck faced was the Wimbledon problem: the huge distance depicted between Wimbledon (District) and South Wimbledon (Northern) stations. Still, I suspect most people these days consider that a minor detail!
     
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    From an artistic point of view, I like it!
     
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    Mostly the recent changes that have put all the new Overground routes on it, making it very north-east heavy, particularly with the lack of differentiation between the Overground lines. Another issue I've heard about is how the step-free access has been put onto the map, again mostly centred on one part of the map, the DLR.

    Personally, I don't have a problem with using it, but I agree that it is getting rather cluttered now which I think is the main criticism I hear about it.
     
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    It's awful as a map, but quite good as a piece of art.
     
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    Indeed. I wouldn't like to try and plan a journey with it, but it's quite pleasant to look at.
     
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    Looking at it as a piece of art, I think it's quite cute how they've shaped the Circle line as... a tube roundel!
     
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    That's what I like the most, very clever!
     
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    It's down to the stretching/compressing in order to make it look neat.
    Some stations that are in reality a short walk apart are well away from each other on the map and some that are shown as close to each other are actually not close at all.
    This is where a geographically accurate map come in handy, or personal knowledge, so you know when to walk and when to take the train.

    Very pretty map though, nice for a wall poster.
     
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    Quite fun to look at, I can imagine it as a table mat!
     
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    I like how it's almost the shape of a Roundel. With TfL's recent expansion of Overground it might be getting closer to the correct shape!
     
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    Yeah I agree with you there

    However I guess it does show how they radiate out from the centre quite well.


    I really like the one Kryten posted it sorta reminds me of the Tokyo subways map in a way cos its accurate rather than diagrammatic
     
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    It's still missing Thameslink though. If you're going to show Crossrail then I don't think you can get away with omitting Thameslink. Heck it really should be on now in my opinion.
     
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    And it used to be on (well, the core anyway) along with the Northern City line. But effectively it's really the 'TfL rail services' map these days.
     
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    In the future maps may longer be required as might you just use your phone which will your ticket/payment as well as to a virtual map that tells you where to start and give directions through the journey TLF NAV!.

    They are not so exciting though as looking at a TFL map and the pondering over
    names of some of the stations is fun in itself and last but not least how we play Mornington Crescent?

    HC
     
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    I quite like it. Although there are some interesting names for lines; The North, South and West chords! (For the GOBLIN, SLL & NLL respectively.)

    Although splitting the Northern line into two separate lines creates a false impression, and wouldn't be at all helpful if actually trying to use the map; but I somehow doubt anyone has ever tried to use it for such a purpose.
     
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    I like it better than the official map but I do agree it does need the Thameslink added.
     
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    where do you stop with Thameslink though? You'd hardly want to put the entire 2018 network on
     
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    Include all stations within the usual zones for a tube map and then simply indicate via the line going off the map (probably with an arrow at the edge) and wording to the effect of 'continues to Peterborough, Cambridge & Kings Lynn' for northbound Thameslink services in that direction and perhaps 'continues to Luton & Bedford' for the other arm.

    This is similar to what currently happens on the London Rail & Tube services map.
     
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    Just picked up on following this. I enjoyed seeing both the types of maps shown in this thread.
     
  29. AndyNLondon

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    Nice.

    Aside from the text not being in Johnston (any other font just looks wrong on a tube map, IMHO), I would tweak it:
    • there's some wiggliness that feels unnecessary, e.g North London Line between Gospel Oak & Brondesbury, Bakerloo line between Baker St & Paddington
    • I'm not sure whether having interchange stations in bold is helpful or cluttering (and is the underlining of some station names significant?)
    • Mark Tramlink/National Rail interchanges with standard double arrow logo for consistency

    The splitting of the Northern line on this map is presumably based on real proposals to do just that, and for naming the London Overground routes I would keep it simple and use North London Line, East London Line, and Goblin Line (make it official, and yes, I know that would expand to "Gospel Oak to Barking Line Line"!)
     
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