Longest booked stop not at a station

[greatkingrat]

As part of yesterdays West Yorkshire challenge I travelled on the following train from Moorthorpe which is booked to wait for 10 minutes at South Kirkby Jn.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y76489/2014/08/30/advanced

Was wondering if there are any passenger trains that have a longer booked stop that isn't at a station?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

0709 Inverness-Aberdeen sits in Keith Loop for 12 minutes, which is situated beyond the site of the station.
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Also the 2125 Exeter St Davids-Salisbury sits in Tisbury Loop for 9 minutes, which again is not on the station site.

 

[Simon11]

Would the Sleepers beat this?

 

[Kite159]

The southeastern services from cannon street to Barnehurst sits in Erith Loop for 11 minutes

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W08225/2014/09/03/advanced

Which is a long wait on a 376 on a hot summers day

 

[Philip C]

The southeastern services from cannon street to Barnehurst sits in Erith Loop for 11 minutes

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W08225/2014/09/03/advanced

Which is a long wait on a 376 on a hot summers day

Another opportunity for a minor gripe!

Trains arriving at Tunbridge Wells from Hastings, and coupling to other stock, do not have their doors released until the attachment is complete. Whilst not as long as other booked stands this is especially annoying as five minutes can easily pass whilst passengers wishing to leave the train fret and worry!

I'm not aware of anywhere else where this is normal practice - certainly not at Haywards Heath on the Central Division portion workings. The expression "unlawful imprisonment" comes to mind especially as timetables appear to reflect the train arrival and not the door release times!

I appreciate that this is not a "longest booked stop not at a station" but in some respects is an even less satisfactory operating feature!

 

[Mugby]

Presumably the Northern stopper waits at South Kirkby Jcn. because there's a fast service due on the main line.

Wouldn't there be time to put it on the down loop?

 

[marcouk2]

The York - Sheffield service is due in the same time so presumably reduces potential for knock on delays if the Leeds bound service has to wait for the Sheffield service to clear Moorthorpe South Junction and ends up running late disrupting EC services heading north.

 

[yorkie]

The York - Sheffield service is due in the same time so presumably reduces potential for knock on delays if the Leeds bound service has to wait for the Sheffield service to clear Moorthorpe South Junction and ends up running late disrupting EC services heading north.

I don't understand this.

The York - Sheffield service doesn't impact in any way with the Sheffield - Leeds train.

There is no such junction as Moorthorpe South Junction, and the trains you mention do not conflict at Moorthorpe Junction.

 

[30907]

RTT gives a passing time at Moorthorpe S Jn.
It also shows that the train is held at S Kirkby Jn for a KGX-LDS service.

 

[marcouk2]

Still in on RTT as Moorthorpe South

Moorthorpe (South) Jn points will be set for the York-Sheffield coming down south so will be changed for the diverging route required by the Sheffield - Leeds once cleared by the York-Sheffield train.

Raildar shows a consistent 2-5min delay for the Leeds bound train leaving Moorthorpe which is then recovered by the wait time at South Kirkby Jn.

 

[Mugby]

Are you saying that the points on the Up and Down at Moorthorpe Sth Jcn. can't be worked independently?

 

[marcouk2]

Happy to be corrected but I'm not aware I've ever seen them operated independently.

 

[louis97]

Happy to be corrected but I'm not aware I've ever seen them operated independently.

They can be operated independently, there is no margins to be allowed between these movements in the Network Rail timetable planning rules.

 

[Tomnick]

They can be, and will be, worked independently as at any other double junction. There's no reason why the two movements can't be made simultaneously.

 

[Parallel]

I wonder how long the longest wait is on the loop between Caersws and Machynlleth?

 

[The Planner]

Nothing is planned to wait for ages at Talerddig, certainly won't be when it goes hourly either.

 

[yorkie]

Still in on RTT as Moorthorpe South

Edit: it's North of Moorthorpe station but there used to be a junction further north ; hence the confusion. It appears to have been renamed as the other junction (linking Pontefract Baghill with South Elmsall) no longer exists.

Moorthorpe (South) Jn points will be set for the York-Sheffield coming down south so will be changed for the diverging route required by the Sheffield - Leeds once cleared by the York-Sheffield train.

They don't conflict. The lines are double track. A train going from Sheffield towards Leeds is on the left and turns left. A train going towards Sheffield will be on its right, not crossing its path.

A bit of history about the Moorthorpe Jn - South Kirby Jn chord here. The use of this chord is far greater than in the past...

...For the next 49 years there was no regular passenger service...

 

[Mugby]

Interesting stuff!
They refer to it as Moorthorpe Jcn. I could have sworn it was once called Moorthorpe Station Junction.

 

[BurtonM]

Ardwick Junction on Liverpool bound TPEs - what was the longest wait before they amended the timetable to cut it out?

 

[mister-sparky]

The southeastern services from cannon street to Barnehurst sits in Erith Loop for 11 minutes

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W08225/2014/09/03/advanced

Which is a long wait on a 376 on a hot summers day

This is probably because they were originally 2 services which have been merged into one?

 

[D6975]

Remember the loco hauled Fishguard - Cardiff on a summer saturday a few years ago?

That used to sit alonside Canton for ages.

 

[Antman]

The southeastern services from cannon street to Barnehurst sits in Erith Loop for 11 minutes

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W08225/2014/09/03/advanced

Which is a long wait on a 376 on a hot summers day

I might be wrong but I thought these trains tipped out at Barnehurst or Slade Green and did that bit out of service?

 

[83G/84D]

There are a number of crossings at Goonbarrow Jn on the Par to Newquay line in the summer timetable, particularly on Saturdays and Sundays.

The longest standing time prior to the September timetable change was on a Sunday involving 2C64 0901 Plymouth to Newquay XC service (1011 - 1026) & 2N03 0952 Newquay to Par .