meolebrace
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Driver...we are held here (West Ham) for 68 seconds to regulate service.
Never heard that before.
How come?
Never heard that before.
How come?
It's to provide an even interval service.
I've heard it a few times and I live in Yorkshire; it's not new nor uncommon.
non-published timetable.
It's not a public timetable in any meaningful sense.It is published somewhere. I found a PDF copy of the bakerloo line timetable on their website once about 3 years ago,....
Working Timetables (WTT)
Working Timetables (WTT) are the rail industry version of public timetables. They show all movements on the Tube network including empty trains and train movements in and out of depots.
Working Timetables include identification codes for each train, times at locations other than stations (eg junctions) and do not necessarily show times for all stations where a train is scheduled to stop.
Important: These timetables are made available for rail industry professionals and should not be confused with the passenger version which is available using Journey Planner
Driver...we are held here (West Ham) for 68 seconds to regulate service.
Never heard that before.
How come?
Fair fair...I should have said I found it purely by accident - I wasn't looking for it and yes they definitely don't make it obvious.It's not a public timetable in any meaningful sense.
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/working-timetables
it was utter garbage with trains arriving whenever the wanted to and not following it at all!
I would hope so, seeing as though that's what the signallers and drivers run to. The vast majority of time I am running to timetable, easily 90-95% of the time. Losing the odd 30 seconds here and there can cause you to be 10 minutes down by your destination if you lose your path.If there had been earlier disruption, I think a lot of that will be necessitated to recover the service.
Curiously enough, I once planned an afternoon out on the Met, from Aldgate to the ends of all but the Uxbridge branches, using the WTT. Every single train arrived/departed within a couple of minutes of the plan, even down to the train service numbers...!
It is published somewhere. I found a PDF copy of the bakerloo line timetable on their website once about 3 years ago, but it was utter garbage with trains arriving whenever the wanted to and not following it at all! - ultimately that's what the tube is, it's turnup and go. People don't really care about the timetable as long as there's a train every 2-3 minutes.
It's to provide an even interval service and avoid large gaps (and potential for overcrowding).
I've heard it a few times and I live in Yorkshire; it's not new nor uncommon.
That is not true. The only reason not to remove someone from a train is if they have a spinal injury. If they are in the active stage of a seizure (“fitting”) or too large to be moved then it is possible to wait for it to be an appropriate time to remove them. If they cannot be moved there and then for any of the aforementioned three reasons, then the train would be moved to an appropriate location for ambulance teams to attend and remove them from the train.And...also a new announcement at Stratford....'if a passenger falls ill, please let them off the train as we can care better for them on the platform'
If in full cardiac arrest etc...they are going nowhere.
Still better off off the train, no harm is going to be done by quickly moving them and more space available to work on them away from cramped conditions, also you have to consider the likelihood of additional illness to people on following trains if they are forced to stand in cramped conditions in a tunnel for a period of time.And...also a new announcement at Stratford....'if a passenger falls ill, please let them off the train as we can care better for them on the platform'
If in full cardiac arrest etc...they are going nowhere.
It certainly isn’t garbage, although some lines are more prone to late running than others.
The Northern is pretty solid nowadays, and was even before the resignalling. Even the Vic runs pretty much to the second.
By contrast the Picc is very prone to running late, as is the Met especially during the peaks.
Different lines have different characteristics which make them more vulnerable to late running and how disruptions affect the service. The Northern for example rarely goes totally up the wall as the branch setup means there are often options to divert round a problem, plus a problem on one branch often means only half the overall service is affected. By contrast a problem on the Picc will quickly start to affect the whole line.
I stood on the westbound Central Line platform at Stratford a couple of years ago for 45 minutes and compared the working timetable to what was happening on a "typical" day. I think the whole service was running about 2-3 minutes late, with at least one train missing entirely in the period. The latter is the only thing anyone else on the platform actually noticed, as it created a notably longer gap,on the service headway.
And...also a new announcement at Stratford....'if a passenger falls ill, please let them off the train as we can care better for them on the platform'
If in full cardiac arrest etc...they are going nowhere.
Not just paramedics, staff are expected to, unless any of the three exceptions detailed above apply, then the train would be moved where possible (unless say assistance is arriving within a couple of minutes).Paramedics will move patients off trains (where they would otherwise be left in situ) in order to avoid 1000s of passengers being stuck in hot tunnels, causing chain reactions of falling ill.
Not just paramedics, staff are expected to, unless any of the three exceptions detailed above apply, then the train would be moved where possible (unless say assistance is arriving within a couple of minutes).
Is absoloutely spot on with this.I wouldn’t place too much emphasis on the use of the word regulating. In LU jargon this word has a very specific meaning, which is when the signaller (or signalling system) holds trains in such a way as to even out gaps, even if this means making a train late.
However, many drivers use the term to describe a wide range of things. Being held at a red signal when the train is running a minute or two early isn’t being regulated in the strictest sense. For all one knows a train could have been signalled out of its origin early and simply being held at the next location back to right time. Or it could even be booked stand time in the timetable.
Regulating is a word some drivers latch on to and use without actually realising what is meant!
On London buses, the corresponding announcements I have heard recently now have no reference to regulating the service but say something like: "The driver has been instructed to wait at this bus stop for a short while to even out the service." I couldn't help thinking that "even out" was plainer English than "regulate".
It is a standard company-wide policy. Assessments are carried out by experienced mystery shoppers working for a global market research company and carried out in line with the Market Research Society code of conduct. Announcements only have to be made within 30 seconds whilst stopped between stations; in the platform this is increased to 90 seconds.On the Northern line, not making an announcement if the train was held for more than 30 seconds could lead to discipliniary action, go on a driver's record, etc. Detection was often carried out by spies (managers or light duty rail staff) either hiding out of sight at a station (Kennington was a good example, where trains were usually held to time) or riding on the train. I assume that the same went on on other lines.
On the Northern line, not making an announcement if the train was held for more than 30 seconds could lead to discipliniary action, go on a driver's record, etc. Detection was often carried out by spies (managers or light duty rail staff) either hiding out of sight at a station (Kennington was a good example, where trains were usually held to time) or riding on the train. I assume that the same went on on other lines.
It's to provide an even interval service and avoid large gaps (and potential for overcrowding).
I've heard it a few times and I live in Yorkshire; it's not new nor uncommon.