Lumo (East Coast Trains) Class 803 Updates/Discussion

[hexagon789]

I'd be inclined to agree that they will be bog-standard 80x. The style of service would not seem to be one that would benefit from doors at thirds, and it would restrict the options for seating layout.

Agreed on both points, retaining the existing door-layout seems logical and it continues with what went before, and secondly that the nature if the service doesn't particularly lend itself to 1/3, 2/3 door placement. We will soon see whether that's correct once the intermediate cars take shape.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Agreed on both points, retaining the existing door-layout seems logical and it continues with what went before, and secondly that the nature if the service doesn't particularly lend itself to 1/3, 2/3 door placement. We will soon see whether that's correct once the intermediate cars take shape.

Another point is that if it's an abject failure, it might not be too difficult to arrange for the units to go to GWR or TPE instead, with some minor mods to the layout and adding First and a kitchen (all modular, unlike the door layout).

 

[hexagon789]

Another point is that if it's an abject failure, it might not be too difficult to arrange for the units to go to GWR or TPE instead, with some minor mods to the layout and adding First and a kitchen (all modular, unlike the door layout).

Very valid point.

Are these to be owned by the TOC, leased from Hitachi or leased from one of the ROSCOs, do we know?

 

[samuelmorris]

Commonality with the HT 802s used on much of the same route would also make sense given it's the same parent company.

 

[Clarence Yard]

They will be leased from a ROSCO and have the same door positions as the rest of the 80x fleet. The difference in the layout inside will be substantial - the details are embargoed and will be released in due course.

 

[Domh245]

Aren't the vehicle pictured end vehicles, which are end-doored on the artist's impressions?

End doored perhaps but you can still see there's a big old panel between the door and the gangway in the render!

The difference in the layout inside will be substantial

3+2 airline throughout?

 

[Bletchleyite]

3+2 airline throughout?

You can keep that if so!

 

[ben2012]

is there any updates on these

 

[superalbs]

3+2 airline throughout?

Five aside compartments.

 

[Mogz]

Five aside compartments.

Given it's easier to socially distance in a compartment, this wouldn't be such a bad idea! Perhaps not five aside, though...

I would be interested to see this 'substantially different' layout.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

We must be seeing them at some point soon seeing as the shells have been here for ages now.

 

[hexagon789]

We must be seeing them at some point soon seeing as the shells have been here for ages now.

Been thinking that too, doesn't seem to have been much going on recently.

Of course the whole COVID situation has probably delayed things a bit mind you

 

[greatvoyager]

Been thinking that too, doesn't seem to have been much going on recently.

Of course the whole COVID situation has probably delayed things a bit mind you

At least they have plenty of time before planned service begins.

 

[31160]

At least they have plenty of time before planned service begins.

When are they due to start, i assume late next year

 

[greatvoyager]

When are they due to start, i assume late next year

According to Railway Gazette, October 2021.

Edinburgh – London open access service takes shape

UK: With the first of five Hitachi-built trainsets delivered to the UK for fitting out, FirstGroup has appointed the leadership team for its low-cost open access service between Edinburgh and London, which is scheduled to start running from October 2021. Helen Wylde has been appointed as...

www.railwaygazette.com

 

[800001]

We must be seeing them at some point soon seeing as the shells have been here for ages now.

Not much work undertaken on the shells at Aycliffe, so ive been told by someone who works at factory.

 

[hexagon789]

At least they have plenty of time before planned service begins.

One consolation yes

When are they due to start, i assume late next year

Think autumn next year was mentioned

 

[Speed43125]

Not my video, originally posted in this thread

 

[Steddenm]

Is it me or do those doors look tiny?

 

[superalbs]

Notice there are no blanked out windows for the staff area in that clip.

 

[DB]

Is it me or do those doors look tiny?

They look like the doors on every other 80x train - which are wide enough to comply with the disability regulations.

 

[hexagon789]

Not my video, originally posted in this thread

Bit on the 'plain' side. Unless vinyls are to be added to sort of "jazz" it up a bit?

Is it me or do those doors look tiny?

Pretty sure they'll be exactly the same as the other 80x, they have to meet certain requirements anyway.

 

[Bletchleyite]

It is a standard 26m 80x body.

 

[RH Liner]

Because they will be running all electric from London to Edinburgh

Except when they are diverted via Lincoln or somewhere.

 

[swt_passenger]

Except when they are diverted via Lincoln or somewhere.

They can’t be, as they are electric only.

 

[Ianno87]

Except when they are diverted via Lincoln or somewhere.

They can’t be, as they are electric only.

I presume they will just not operate at all during such a scenario. Like how Grand Central simply don’t run in some planned block scenarios.

 

[JonathanH]

They can’t be, as they are electric only.

Isn't multiple working with a Hull Trains 802 a potential option for dates when the Lincoln route is being used?

Blocks north of Doncaster are more of an issue.

 

[swt_passenger]

Isn't multiple working with a Hull Trains 802 a potential option for dates when the Lincoln route is being used?

Blocks north of Doncaster are more of an issue.

Yes, I was only thinking of them running on their own, and as you suggest its difficult to find a solution up north...

 

[37424]

Notice there are no blanked out windows for the staff area in that clip.
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The blanked off Windows are mainly the 1st class Kitchen which clearly they wont be having on this train.

 

[Ianno87]

Isn't multiple working with a Hull Trains 802 a potential option for dates when the Lincoln route is being used?

That is true, yes (presuming they are able to operate in multiple).