Major Disruption At Nottingham Due To Fire (12/01)

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  1. thenorthern

    thenorthern Established Member

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    According to the Nottingham Post and Nottinghamshire Fire and Rescue the fire is now out but they are remaining at the station overnight to dampen it down. The Car Park has now reopened.
     
  2. MCSHF007

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    Probably worth looking at the service bus between Newark and Nottingham. http://www.travelineeastmidlands.co.uk/em/TTB/EFA01__0000136d_TP.pdf
     
  3. Quakkerillo

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    Via London would seem quite excessive to me. I'd think that with the current situation, you could get allowance to 'abandon' your advance from York and use Crosscountry to Derby for onward buses if nothing is available from the Newark/Grantham side. Or if they get a plan for tomorrow, you could even try and catch the Liverpool service at Peterborough?
     
  4. 221129

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    Trains should be able to run tomorrow.
     
  5. BestWestern

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    I don't think it's unreasonable to decline, to be honest. Perhaps Trent feel that their services will be flooded with rail ticket holders, causing capacity problems for their existing customers. Bus operators tend to specify the size of their vehicles to suit existing passenger flows, rather than run about with lots of empty space for unexpected rail passengers. 'Local bus acceptance' is a nice idea for light loadings who can be absorbed on existing bus services, however a total railway shutdown at the height of the evening rush hour is not going to be effectively dealt with by suggesting thousands of passengers go and join the queue for a local bus.
     
  6. TUC

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    How useless can they get. Get off your backside and look at your website Nortnern.
     
  7. Mathew S

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    Might have something to do with the fact that all Northern services to/from Nottingham were already cancelled today because of the strike. No real need to change the info given when there were no trains running the to begin with.
     
  8. thenorthern

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    East Midlands Trains have said they expect some services to run tomorrow, trains from the east should be able to arrive perfectly fine but trains from the west may have problems I suppose its all down to the structural integrity of the building above the tracks.
     
  9. ainsworth74

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    How can there be problems on the Leeds - Nottingham route when Northern aren't timetabled to run any trains on that route anyway?
     
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    In the absence of positive information now, a fall back position would be to plan to use the regular service bus from outside Newark Northgate Railway Station.
    Service 90 is operated by Marshalls of Sutton on Trent and leaves at 07.00, 08.00, 09.10 and then every 60 minutes until 16.10. Also some later buses. Journey time to Nottingham is just under 60 minutes.
    http://www.travelineeastmidlands.co...NTS&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=true
    [use the radio button to select Saturday!]
    Buses are likely to be very busy (Forest are playing Villa at home and County play Lincoln away), but as the bus starts from Northgate Station a seat should be possible if you are smartly off the Station.
     
  11. TUC

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    I'm well aware of that. My point is that not every member of the public will be aware of the strike. For someone who has made a recent decision to travel today, unaware of the strike but hearing of the fire on the news and wanting to check for disruption, for Northern to display 'no problems' is misleading and unhelpful.
     
  12. Stampy

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    Which is what I plan to catch tomorrow, the 1116 Northern train from Nottingham to Leeds and returning around 1830 tomorrow evening...

    Will be driving up from PBO - so no idea what to do tomorrow, as i've already got the tickets!!!
     
  13. BestWestern

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    Have you tried tweeting?
     
  14. Kettledrum

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    It doesn't tell you all you need to know about East Midlands Parkway at all. I'd suggest the following points would help make a more rounded diagnosis of the problem of East Midlands Parkway:

    - London departures are normally at 35 and 43 minutes past the hour, with nothing for the remaining 52 minutes of the hour outside peak times.
    - Journey times of 1hr 40 to London are not particularly attractive
    - Car parking charges are not attractive
    - very poor facilities on platforms 3 and 4. Platform 3 is for London departures. This is an exposed and windy site and this platform has inadequate "bus shelters" to stand in
    - no regular bus services serving the station
    - no taxis wait at the station

    EMT have shown no sign of wanting to change any of the above, presumably because it would costs them money, and they think it might take people away from other East Midlands stations rather than attracting new travelers.
    There is no pro-active marketing in the surrounding towns and villages to encourage additional leisure travel at discounted rates from East Midlands Parkway so I assume East Midlands Trains are happy with the current situation.

    Its location and platforms and track work are extremely useful on days like today though.
     
  15. Stampy

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    Yes, I've tweeted EMT and heard nothing back so far... To be fair to them they may be a bit busy...

    I'm going to nip into PBO station and ask advice there!!!
     
  16. Mathew S

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    I think that falls under the heading of 'check before you travel'. There will have been no Northern services to/from Nottingham in the journey planner for today, even before the fire. Between week long media coverage of the strikes, extensive media coverage today of the fire, and general advice to check before you travel, I don't think there's any reason why this would catch anyone out, without it being due to a the potential passengers own lack of planning/vigilance.
     
  17. A Challenge

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    If that was your check though you might have a point - as it says there is no problem!
     
  18. Crossover

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    It is a Northern service, so Northern would be best placed to advise. You may not get a response today though as I imagine the social media team will be dealing with the fallout of strike day 3. I'm nit sure PBO will be able to advise much more
     
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    I'm not surprised. The service you're interested in isn't operated by the station TOC and neither is Nottingham station. Plus I would be surprised if anyone really knows what the service will look like tomorrow!

    Edit: Which I see is exactly what both TOCs twitter teams have just told you ;)
     
  21. Crossover

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    Northern have just replied to you and said they don't yet know what will run.

    Should the train not run, you would be able to claim a refund, I am sure. Should it still be all Pete Tong tomorrow, I would consider driving to Derby instead, from where there are regular trains to Leeds.

    What is the actual ticket you hold? Is it a route/operator restricted?
     
  22. Stampy

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    It's just a bog standard Day return between Nottingham & Leeds

    Was planning to get the 1116 train up, and the 1806 train back as they are BOTH direct and about £40 cheaper than travelling from PBO.
     
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  23. Tomnick

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    There’s no signalling nor pointwork to permit a reversal (in either direction) at East Mids Parkway. The only realistic options are further north, the Down Loop at Trent or beyond Beeston station, both of which I’d imagine have been well used by longer-distance services reversing. East Mids Parkway is certainly a better option for a large rail replacement operation than Loughborough!
     
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    I would suggest driving up and if nothing from Nottingham, head over to Derby and travel from there instead. NRE shows tickets between Nottingham and Leeds as valid via Derby anyway (£24.90 route Sheffield)
     
  25. TUC

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    Given they (and NCT)are the only local alternatives, accepting overcrowding is just art of being public spirited in a crisis, a bit like how a department store will open to give shelter to residents during an evacuation.
     
  26. thenorthern

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    The engineers from Network Rail are assessing the structure now I am told and should have a decision on if the structure has been compromised or not soon.
     
  27. TUC

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    So even on the basis of the strike why would Northern have the entry set to say there were no problems?
     
  28. BestWestern

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    The department store however is highly unlikely to be still trading with people camped out in the aisles while shoppers step over them. The local bus operator has its own passengers to convey, it can't "close" and give itself over to a crisis as the shop that you mention might do.
     
  29. 43096

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    Loop at Trent has been used today, I believe. They also have the option of Toton Centre.
     
  30. kevjs

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    Due to issues on the tram (no service south of The Forest due to an police incident on Waverley Street) the buses were already overloaded and delayed before the train station went on fire (NCT Navy and Orange line were taking tram customers). The Toton and Clifton branches had no trams south of Waverley Street until late morning (Market Square) and mid-afternoon (Clifton/Toton).

    Trent Barton don't often seem to be involved in accepting other operator tickets though.

    By about 9am East Midlands Trains were running a rail replacement service from Riverside Retail Park (some way out of the centre - gives you an idea of the congestion and closures) to East Midlands Parkway with Cross Country running a Nottingham (Jury's Inn) to Derby service from around 9am. By 2pm a rag tag collection of coaches was running from Station Street.
     

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