Major disruption between Grantham and Peterborough 10/07

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  1. Ben Glasgow

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    Interesting! You learn something new every day. I guess whoever dictates that has to be bang on with their calculations on speed vs a dead section of OHE
     
  2. ainsworth74

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    They do but at 100+ without applying any braking a train will coast a loooong way!
     
  3. ianBR

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    The service is still pretty awful today with multiple cancellations and another breakdown at Grantham. Some poor people at Peterborough are on their third LNER train of the day and now their current one is stuck there. Four trains for one journey must be something of a record!
     
  4. QueensCurve

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    In the words of Roger Ford:-

    Just a tiny fact before anyone revives the ECML wired on the cheap slur. The "wired on the ludicrously expensive" GWML nuclear strike proof OHLE generated £5.5 million in Schedule 8 disruption payments last year.
     
  5. LowLevel

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    Another one failed at Peterborough as well.
     
  6. SamYeager

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    But are all Schedule 8 disruption payments due to the new OHLE wiring issues as opposed to the OHLE that's been in place for quite a while or is Mr Ford being disingenuous?
     
  7. Tim_UK

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    (in the context of travelling to London from Yorkshire for work, at least once a week)

    For a day trip, ring customer and say `sorry, trains messed up, are you busy tomorrow`. London based visitors seem very understanding of this. It doesn't work if you've a hotel booked. But I have previously phoned hotels and explained and they've changed a pre-booked room for free.

    Tickets valid next day is a useful option, and if even some people take it up then less congestion.

    For stuck in London coming home. Given a choice between
    • `hang round station and hope` or
    • `travel a different route` or
    • `phone round London friends, go to pub, sleep on their floor, get first train home in the morning, argue if they claim I'm in peak on an off peak/advance ticket`.

    I'd put `pub` on my first choice of options. And I've done this.

    I've done `travel a different route` when desperate. It can go very well, east coast dead so travel west coast and TPE and arrive 2 minutes earlier than I planned to.

    Or it can go badly: sitting on the floor of a rammed East Midlands train, with 15 other people also in the vestibule and a small child using my bag as a seat. (didn't mind child on my bag) That's an experience I'd prefer not to repeat, but I was kind of desperate.

    I suppose the real solution is balancing relative capacity of the services. If London to Sheffield was every half an hour, with a decent length train, there would less packing if one of the other 2 mess up. If there was also a decent Cross Country service from Birmingham - Sheffield - Leeds - York.
     
  8. cactustwirly

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    London to Sheffield should normally be every half an hour, however the usual 5/7 car Meridians can be busy at the best of times
     
  9. rich r

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    I've done London to York via Birmingham or Manchester on more than one occasion when the ECML's been broken. The company I worked for then were quite happy for me to reclaim the extra tickets on expenses and sort out the claims. It's inconvenient, and often involves a lot of standing for many hours - but it's still better than driving from York to London, finding somewhere to park, doing your business meetings then driving back.
     
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    I would say that the service was recovered very well for start of play this morning - I’m led to believe that there were 5 pre-advertised cancelled services this morning to help with re-balancing crew/sets, and a further 1 full and 3 part cancellations created later, once the full effect of the displacement became known throughout the night.

    Other than that, everything was planned to run, and run on time. I suspect the evening and night shifts were somewhat hectic while those plans were created!

    Coasting is in place until further notice on the Up Fast through the affected area.

    Unfortunately as above there looks to have been a number of set failures through today, which won’t have helped with running today’s service.
     
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  11. whhistle

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    Not saying railway companies shouldn't offer travel the next day, just that for most people it isn't really an option.
    Not everyone has friends in London and those people going down for a day trip can't always afford to just stop off in a hotel.
    It's just an oddment to include because the majority of people won't use their tickets the following day. But again, not saying it's bad, just a bit strange.
     
  12. imagination

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    Which includes the section from Paddington to Airport junction.

    It's anecdotal evidence I know but last year, using the line most days during the year, I was held up for a significant amount of time by problems with the OHLE between Paddington and Airport Junction 3 times (two during the peaks, one at a weekend), and with problems between Airport Junction and Didcot 0 times. West of Didcot would generate considerably less total minutes of delay per incident than that section.
     
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    Anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. If the job has majorly gone to pot then a large proportion of people prefer to travel the next day.
     
  14. Dr Hoo

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    Thanks for the link.
    I don’t use Twitter or know how to reference it on this forum but I note that a response to Roger Ford’s tweet “categorically” refuted his figure. Other tweets derided him as usually being a “numbers man” but apparently unable to produce evidence or source on this occasion.
     
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    Interesting ride on the 1700 HST out of Kings Cross on Wednesday, departed on time absolutely full seat wise with standing in all the vestibules, special stop at Peterborough where passengers alighted for road connections on to Grantham etc. as we were being sent via Lincoln, trouble was a local service ran in on the adjacent platform and it appears some Grantham ites dived on just before we left, a good steady run via Lincoln saw us arrive at Doncaster for another special stop where the Grantham ites got off looking forward to a taxi back south - oops, a few passengers boarded and off we went still full and standing to our first booked stop at York, which eased the standing down to none in the coach i was in. Alighted at Darlington around 73 late, and just in time for our last train home to Shildon. Can't claim a thing as travelling on a retired staff priv box. Lol.
     
  16. Edders23

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    Just for information the train that brought the lines down stopped across Tallington LC blocking it for 1 and a half hours and more chaos caused by a low loader lorry getting stuck trying to do a u turn and having to be towed clear

    Most cars could use the back road through Barholm

    Luckily i was doing a job to london and my other drivers managed to avoid jobs out there but total chaos i'm told
     
  17. The North Briton

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    Just to clear up a misconception, the train did not ‘bring the wires down’, the pan head was ripped off the train by a defect with the OLE, specifically a dropper wire hanging below the contact wire.
     
  18. 800002

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    How about the phrase 'The train that was previously under the wires was...'? ;)

    A serious question though - possibly covered elsewhere, so apologies if it is.
    How did the dropper wire come to be hanging beneath the contact wire?
     
  19. The North Briton

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    I don’t think anyone knows that yet. Suffice to say, the delays have been attributed, at least initially, to the infrastructure. Normally if there is even a sniff of TOC liability, it will be attributed to them.
     
  20. 800002

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    Indeed... anything to attempt to reduce NRs liability!
    What came first, chicken or the egg?? Or in this case, infrastructure fault (or other NR liability) or train unit fault.
    A good look at the PanCam footage would be nice.
     
  21. bb21

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    Not quite.

    If there were even the tiniest possibility incident may be TOC responsibility, and incident expected to remain in dispute pending an extended period of investigation, it must be coded to TOC because anything attributed to NR after Day 8 cannot be recoded back to TOC, whereas in the other direction it is possible, so if it turned out at the end it were NR responsibility, it can still be recoded to NR.
     
  22. 800002

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    That's a good point. Didn't occur to me.
     
  23. bb21

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    Oh don't get me wrong, the bickering's still there. Just this one happens to have a technical explanation. :p
     
  24. 800002

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    I do find it funny that my memory omitted that fact.
    Nice to see some protection for the operators...
     
  25. 800001

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    Pictures I have of the affected train do not show sat across the level crossing. It has it sat with trains lined alongside the full length of train with no level crossing in sight.

    May it of been a train that lost power when the power tripped out?
     
  26. Edders23

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    possibly as I said I am going on information told to me by someone caught up in the chaos the crossing was blocked by a train and then the road by the low loader that got stuck
     

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