Man filmed screaming racist abuse at couple on GWR

[GodAtum]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/racist-attack-paddington-bristol-train-2221438

A man has been filmed hurling racist abuse on a train to Bristol in what has been described as a 10-minute tirade.

Footage of an incident which appears to show an Asian couple being racially abused on a train to Bristol Temple Meads has been shared with Bristol Live.

The video is believed to have been taken on the 5pm Great Western Railway (GWR) train from London Paddington to Bristol on November 14, between the stops of Bath and Temple Meads.

Seen a lot of these videos lately ... I always wonder what started it as IMO that's the most important thing. Playing devils advocate, the Chinese could could have racial abused him in the first place.

 

[c2c]

But even if they did racially abuse him, how does it justify his response?

 

[sefton]

Playing devils advocate, the Chinese could could have racial abused him in the first place.

Really? Talk about leaping to conclusions.

 

[matt_world2004]

If you think the chinese couple could have racially abused the genetlemen in question in the first place.

Playing devils advocate,did he racially abuse the chinese couple in the first place so they racially abused him so he was videoed racially abusing them.

 

[Gems]

That is awful, must have been very frightening for others to witness. Thankfully in my experience it is relatively rare.

 

[yorkie]

Playing devils advocate, the Chinese could could have racial abused him in the first place.

That may justify him being upset but how would that justify racism?!

 

[Esker-pades]

That may justify him being upset but how would that justify racism?!

I think I can answer this one. Is it "it doesn't"?

 

[Class37.4]

I think I can answer this one. Is it "it doesn't"?

Lets put it this way if someone abused me racially or otherwise, then they would get it back in bucket loads and as far as I would be concerned I would be fully justified, of course if someone only filmed my part of retaliation it wouldn't look very good, which is frankly why I don't like these phone filming pieces which then find their way onto social media etc, because they frequently don't show the whole incident.

 

[Esker-pades]

Lets put it this way if someone abused me racially or otherwise, then they would get it back in bucket loads and as far as I would be concerned I would be fully justified, of course if someone only filmed my part of retaliation it wouldn't look very good, which frankly I don't like these phone filming pieces which then find their way onto social media etc, because they frequently don't show the whole incident.

If someone racially abused someone, you would retaliate with racial abuse. Have I understood that correctly?

 

[Clayton]

Lets put it this way if someone abused me racially or otherwise, then they would get it back in bucket loads and as far as I would be concerned I would be fully justified, of course if someone only filmed my part of retaliation it wouldn't look very good, which is frankly why I don't like these phone filming pieces which then find their way onto social media etc, because they frequently don't show the whole incident.

If someone abused you you would be justified in shouting angrily at them and asserting yourself. But racist abuse is illegal and also beyond the pale.

 

[Class37.4]

If someone racially abused someone, you would retaliate with racial abuse. Have I understood that correctly?

I said if someone racially abused me personally I would retaliate with racial abuse, absolutely.

 

[Class37.4]

If someone abused you you would be justified in shouting angrily at them and asserting yourself. But racist abuse is illegal and also beyond the pale.

I don't give a monkeys what the law says, if somebody abuses me racial or otherwise then they get it back simple, and I expect most people from Yorkshire like myself who don't mess about would do likewise, fortunately as yet its never happened to me.

 

[Esker-pades]

I said if someone racially abused me personally I would retaliate with racial abuse, absolutely.

That would make you a complete expletive as well. You would also risk removal from the train and prosecution.
Somebody being racist to you doesn't justify racism. Tell them to expletive off, sure, but being racist in return just makes everything worse.

 

[LittleAH]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/racist-attack-paddington-bristol-train-2221438



Seen a lot of these videos lately ... I always wonder what started it as IMO that's the most important thing. Playing devils advocate, the Chinese could could have racial abused him in the first place.

They didn't though, did they?

 

[Class37.4]

That would make you a complete expletive as well. You would also risk removal from the train and prosecution.
Somebody being racist to you doesn't justify racism. Tell them to expletive off, sure, but being racist in return just makes everything worse.

Well that your opinion which you are entitled to but its not mine.

But getting back to the issue at we had various clips from such as this, to issues that a disabled lady had etc, but the problem with them is that they frequently don't tell the whole story and as such I would tend to disregard them and the pages and pages of outrage expressed by the likes of Twitter etc.

 

[Esker-pades]

Well that your opinion which you are entitled to but its not mine.

The first part is not opinion.

 

[yorkie]

I think I can answer this one. Is it "it doesn't"?

Quite, it was a rhetorical question, though it was also inviting a correction from the original poster.

I didn't predict this...

I said if someone racially abused me personally I would retaliate with racial abuse, absolutely.

...this makes no sense. It's the behaviour that is unacceptable, not an entire race/nation/religion/creed/whatever.

Also other people of the same characteristics may well be within earshot who have done nothing wrong and won't understand why you are including them in whatever insult/abuse you are dishing out.

The first part is not opinion.

It's certainly true that "You would also risk removal from the train and prosecution" is a fact, not an opinion.

These days children learn from a young age how unacceptable racism is; any racial abuse - regardless of provocation - would result in at least a day in isolation (aka internal exclusion) at any decent school.

 

[Class37.4]

Quite, it was a rhetorical question, though it was also inviting a correction from the original poster.

I didn't predict this...

...this makes no sense. It's the behaviour that is unacceptable, not an entire race/nation/religion/creed/whatever.

Also other people of the same characteristics may well be within earshot who have done nothing wrong and won't understand why you are including them in whatever insult/abuse you are dishing out.


It's certainly true that "You would also risk removal from the train and prosecution" is a fact, not an opinion.

These days children learn from a young age how unacceptable racism is; any racial abuse - regardless of provocation - would result in at least a day in isolation (aka internal exclusion) at any decent school.

Technically I don't doubt that you are correct in the eyes of the law, however that doesn't change what I would do in that situation, and I think most people I know would do the same thing, be it on a train, or the middle of the street etc, and at nearly 60 I'm not about to change my ways, but I can see my attitude would not go down well with the snowflake generation.

 

[yorkie]

Technically I don't doubt that you are correct in the eyes of the law, however that doesn't change what I would do in that situation, and I think most people I know would do the same thing, be it on a train, or the middle of the street etc, and at nearly 60 I'm not about to change my ways, but I can see my attitude would not go down well with the snowflake generation.

I'm sure most people I know wouldn't.

Can you clarify what you mean by "snowflake generation"?

Perhaps you mean a tolerant and understanding generation, as that would be more accurate to describe most young people today.

 

[Class37.4]

I'm sure most people I know wouldn't.

Can you clarify what you mean by "snowflake generation"?

Perhaps you mean a tolerant and understanding generation, as that would be more accurate to describe most young people today.

Yes you can look at that way I suppose but remember I grow up in a completely different era and a lot of things that people get excited about these days, nobody would batted an aye lid about in the 70's. I'm not saying racial abuse is acceptable by any means but if someone attacked me in that way I would feel perfectly justified in giving it back. OK others disagree lets just leave it at that.

 

[Clayton]

I don't give a monkeys what the law says, if somebody abuses me racial or otherwise then they get it back simple, and I expect most people from Yorkshire like myself who don't mess about would do likewise, fortunately as yet its never happened to me.

Trying to excuse your racism by saying you are from Yorkshire is truly pathetic, and an insult to the rest of the people from that little bit of England

 

[yorkie]

I strongly disagree that most people from Yorkshire would dish out racial abuse in retaliation for recieving it. I see no evidence of this. I am sure how many people Class37.4 knows but I know a lot of people (over a thousand at one of my workplaces) and I would be shocked if it was true.

 

[Dieseldriver]

I don't give a monkeys what the law says, if somebody abuses me racial or otherwise then they get it back simple, and I expect most people from Yorkshire like myself who don't mess about would do likewise, fortunately as yet its never happened to me.

Lol! 'most people from Yorkshire like myself who don't mess about'. What does that even mean?
Actually, I noticed a couple of posts later that you started talking about 'snowflake generation' so I won't worry too much about my not fully understanding your intelligence lacking, neanderthal ways

 

[Robertj21a]

I don't give a monkeys what the law says, if somebody abuses me racial or otherwise then they get it back simple, and I expect most people from Yorkshire like myself who don't mess about would do likewise, fortunately as yet its never happened to me.

It seems that you are a big part of the problem if that's your attitude. Yorkshire has nothing to do with it.

 

[Class37.4]

Anyway I have just asked 4 people who are with me this question, one from Yorkshire similar age to me says he would do the same thing, one from Lancashire similar age says he would do the same, one from Lancashire younger says he wouldn't, and younger one from Yorkshire says she wouldn't.

Not scientific of course but perhaps it is more of an age thing , and maybe I am a Neanderthal, there are plenty of 21st century attitudes which really P*** me off. Anyway I have said what I would do in that situation and I am perfectly happy that I consider my response to be reasonable.

 

[snookertam]

I said if someone racially abused me personally I would retaliate with racial abuse, absolutely.

That would be a moronic and ignorant thing to do.

 

[Class37.4]

That would be a moronic and ignorant thing to do..

So if somebody made a really bad insult towards you but it wasn't racist how would you respond?

 

[snookertam]

So if somebody made a really bad insult towards you but it wasn't racist how would you respond?

Not too sure. I can guarantee you that under no circumstances would I racially abuse someone, whether they did it to me or not. Racial abuse is never acceptable, and the excuse that they did it first doesn't create some sort of justification or cover for what is an incredibly ignorant act.

 

[Robertj21a]

So if somebody made a really bad insult towards you but it wasn't racist how would you respond?

Well most mature people would rise above any insults and deal with the matter politely. You can also choose to just ignore such people, they soon get bored if you don't respond.

 

[Class37.4]

Not too sure. I can guarantee you that under no circumstances would I racially abuse someone, whether they did it to me or not. Racial abuse is never acceptable, and the excuse that they did it first doesn't create some sort of justification or cover for what is an incredibly ignorant act.

Well I disagree, I suspect that a significant number of peoples response to a non racial insult would be to give a similar response back, and on that basis I don't see a great deal of difference I'm just responding in kind to whatever insult is given to me be it racial or non racial, and yes there are times when somebody has insulted non racially, and I have let it pass depending on the insult, circumstances and my mood, other times not.