Yes - it just requires a shunt after kicking everyone off at Mumps
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Manchester Metrolink (Non speculative discussion)
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Local bus services in the Rochdale/Oldham area have been quite severely reduced since Metrolink opened. There's now no bus service linking Rochdale, Milnrow, Newhey and Shaw with Oldham (no. 58, once every 15 minutes). If you don't live near a tram stop, that has meant problems for the remaining bus users. Many services are now only hourly and take convoluted routes through housing estates. Getting to Manchester from Milnrow and Newhey without the tram really means going via Rochdale, then train. Perhaps TfGM will consider reinstating the 58.
I appreciate you can't go into much detail about this, but when you say a third party at fault, is there someone who caused the landslip or do you just mean that it's not Metrolink's fault? A landslip sounds more like an act of god to me.
Xenophon PCDGS
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The Metrolink three-day strike will be from Thursday, 25th July to Saturday, 27th July.
Tetchytyke
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The fact the school year is coming to an end is probably the best bit about the news. It should make it much more straightforward to source the RRBs until the line can be re-opened.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Reports state the the landslip caused the track to move as much as 20cm in just a few days, bringing the track far too near the overhead line supports to allow service running.
It took about two weeks to get to the point where we had to stop running.
MSO69
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I have noticed that metrolinks brand is starting to fade away, signage at Piccadilly station which used to feature the big metrolink diamond logo has been replaced with a bee network logo and a tram underneath, same as altrincham. Is the plan to replace all signage with metrolink logos and replace them with bees? And will the tram livery finally change?
I travelled on this section of line, once in each direction, on 29th June. I vaguely remember a speed restriction but wasn't paying that much attention.
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The photo in post #575 appears to show a 20 k.p.h. diamond-shaped speed restriction having been in place.
PlatformEdgeVT
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This sign (if I remember correctly) is a 20 mph Temporary Speed Restriction.
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Aren't all (tram only) diamond-shaped speed restriction signs in kilometres per hour?
Class 466
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Believe metrolink is mph
Only for new/rebuilt systems, Metrolink and Sheffield Supertram have grandfather rights to use mph.
I’m not sure when the restriction was put on as I’ve had two weeks off, but there was a noticeable lurch there just before I started my holiday. It was bad enough then that I reported it.
No, we use MPH.
Apparently a full replacement bus service will be in operation from Monday, now whether this is from Monsall or from Oldham Mumps I'm not to sure as TfGM website seems to be stating Monsall-Rochdale for Replacements:
Click on from Monday 15 July and you'll see what I mean.
Click on from Monday 15 July and you'll see what I mean.
Metrolink troubles expand
From around 9pm Friday and then from first tram Saturday
No trams through city centre
Seems overhead line problem between Old Trafford and Trafford Bar has taken out the electric supply right into the city centre.
Trams brought to a halt around St Peters Square with some parked overnight
No services are able to operate between Eccles and Manchester city centre.
This will affect services on Saturday 13 July until further notice.
Engineers remain on site and hope to resume service as quickly as possible. We will continue to keep customers informed. Please check back to this page for further updates.
The Rochdale via Oldham line is still experiencing an unplanned disruption due to a land slide. Find out more.
From around 9pm Friday and then from first tram Saturday
No trams through city centre
Seems overhead line problem between Old Trafford and Trafford Bar has taken out the electric supply right into the city centre.
Trams brought to a halt around St Peters Square with some parked overnight
Tram Disruption - Multiple Service Changes
Saturday 13 July
Tram
Due to an overhead line fault, multiple lines are impacted and service changes are in place on the tram network as follows:- Ashton services will operate to Piccadilly
- East Didsbury services will operate to Firswood
- Manchester Airport services will operate to Firswood
- Oldham-Rochdale Line services will operate from Oldham Mumps to Exchange Square
- Trafford Park line service will operate to Wharfside
No services are able to operate between Eccles and Manchester city centre.
This will affect services on Saturday 13 July until further notice.
Engineers remain on site and hope to resume service as quickly as possible. We will continue to keep customers informed. Please check back to this page for further updates.
The Rochdale via Oldham line is still experiencing an unplanned disruption due to a land slide. Find out more.
Bus
Tickets and passes can be used on the 18, 19, 29, 33, 42,43,50, 53, 67, 79, 85, 85a, 86, 100, 101, 103,111, 171, 172, 250, 255, 256, 263, 281, 285, 286, and X50 bus services.
py_megapixel
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For completeness, the link to the TfGM page with that information: https://tfgm.com/overhead-line-fault
No mention of the Bury line for some reason. I assume it's also running to Exchange Square? The website is still happily showing departures from Bury with destination Altrincham, which can't be right if nothing is running between Altrincham and the city centre.
pokemonsuper9
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Not sure why this wasn't already in the page but someone must've noticed and added it.
py_megapixel
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Ah, fair enough.
Curious that they have two separate services terminating at Piccadilly from opposite directions - surely this must be a bit of an awkward arrangement at Piccadilly! Through running onto the Bury line from Ashton has been done before, and has the advantage of maintaining the link between the Ashton line and the city centre proper (Piccadilly station isn't an awful location but I imagine Piccadilly Gardens/Market Street/Shudehill are more useful for most passengers)
It's a fair while since Bury trams carried on to Ashton isn't it? Possibly the drivers don't have the route knowledge to do the whole trip any more, although I suppose they could switch drivers at Piccadilly.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Just imagine what the situation would be like now if the next new proposed Metrolink lines were already in operation... 
py_megapixel
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It's a while since that's been the usual service pattern, but much more recently, there were Ashton trams running to Crumpsall during some sort of disruption. I can't remember the specifics - I think possibly something went wrong with some points so no trams could turn left from Piccadilly Gardens onto Moseley Street, but I could be totally making that up.
Also it sounds like the fault would stop any trams reaching Ashton from Trafford depot, so they must be providing the whole Ashton service out of Queens Road (which is on the Bury line). I suppose drivers might sign as far as Queens Road or even Crumpsall and no further though.
I am not sure exactly what this post is alluding to, but I imagine Glossop, Hadfield and Rose Hill would, like Ashton, have 5 services per hour terminating at Piccadilly - which you may notice is a higher standard of service than those lines currently get even in normal circumstances.Just imagine what the situation would be like now if the next new proposed Metrolink lines were already in operation...
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The only drivers that wouldn’t have the required knowledge will be relative newbies who only sign the Bury and Altrincham lines. Everyone signs as far as Velopark however, so it’s not the end of the world.
From around 1pm, services resumed with some route changes and delays
Due to an overhead line fault, some service changes are in place on the tram network as follows:
Engineers remain on site and hope to resume service as quickly as possible. We will continue to keep customers informed. Please check back to this page for further updates. https://tfgm.com/overhead-line-fault
Due to an overhead line fault, some service changes are in place on the tram network as follows:
- Bury services will operate to Piccadilly
- East Didsbury services will operate to Firswood
- Oldham-Rochdale Line services will operate from Oldham Mumps to Exchange Square
- Ashton to Eccles
- Altrincham to Piccadilly
- Manchester Airport to Victoria
- Trafford Centre to Deansgate-Castlefield
- East Didsbury to Firswood
Engineers remain on site and hope to resume service as quickly as possible. We will continue to keep customers informed. Please check back to this page for further updates. https://tfgm.com/overhead-line-fault
There does seem to be some evidence that they are phasing out the Metrolink name, on the maps at stops it is just labelled as "Tram network" and there's no mention of the Metrolink name anywhere. Having said that it is still in use on some parts of the Bee Network website and the new press release about the Bee Network expansion refers to it as the Metrolink several times.
Points problems at Market St last evening saw trams diverted running Altrincham - Bury via Exchange Sq and Airport - Victoria as well
This morning this is revised from first tram:
Due to a points fault at Market Street the following service change in the City Centre is in operation:
Altrincham to Bury directs and Airport services are operating via Exchange square and will not call at Market Street or Shudehill.
Bury to Piccadilly will operate as normal.
So trams can turn right at top of Mosley St to Piccadilly Gardens but not go straight on to MArket St
Trams from Piccadilly Gardens can turn right onto Market St
Perhaps this will continue until track replacement due to start next week?
From Wednesday 24 July to Monday 19 August, work will take place close to Shudehill tram stop and, at the same time, Market Street tram stop. During this time, no trams will operate between Market Street and Shudehill. A signed walking route will be put in place between the stops and a bus replacement service will operate between Piccadilly and Victoria.
Customer wishing to travel to Piccadilly station, or on the Ashton line, will be able to connect to services at St Peter's Square.
Initially described as a full bus replacement service from Monday 15th; once again a shortage of replacement buses saw only a bus ev20mins. A mix of double and single trams operate East Didsbury to Oldham Mumps ev12mins – enhanced 0700-1900 giving two trams ev12 mins. Ticket acceptance resumed on bus services: 17, 57, 402, 403, 409, 411, 434, 435, 436, 450, 451, & 455 and on trains between Victoria and Rochdale.
From midnight To allow trams to safely return to the depot and for more double trams to operate, from midnight until the end of the service, replacement buses operated between Rochdale Town Centre and Monsall. (last buses from Rochdale arrive Oldham after last tram leaves for Queens Rd Depot)
Bus operating times
First bus: 05:29 Oldham Mumps to Rochdale Town Centre; 06:00 - Rochdale Town Centre to Oldham Mumps. Bus services will then operate every 20 minutes.
Last bus: 00:29 Oldham Mumps to Rochdale Town Centre; 01:00 - Rochdale Town Centre to Monsall
The journey between Rochdale Town Centre and Oldham Mumps takes approx 45 mins.
The journey between Rochdale Town Centre and Monsall takes approx 1 hr 30 mins.
This morning this is revised from first tram:
Due to a points fault at Market Street the following service change in the City Centre is in operation:
Altrincham to Bury directs and Airport services are operating via Exchange square and will not call at Market Street or Shudehill.
Bury to Piccadilly will operate as normal.
So trams can turn right at top of Mosley St to Piccadilly Gardens but not go straight on to MArket St
Trams from Piccadilly Gardens can turn right onto Market St
Perhaps this will continue until track replacement due to start next week?
From Wednesday 24 July to Monday 19 August, work will take place close to Shudehill tram stop and, at the same time, Market Street tram stop. During this time, no trams will operate between Market Street and Shudehill. A signed walking route will be put in place between the stops and a bus replacement service will operate between Piccadilly and Victoria.
Customer wishing to travel to Piccadilly station, or on the Ashton line, will be able to connect to services at St Peter's Square.
From Monday 15 July:
Initially described as a full bus replacement service from Monday 15th; once again a shortage of replacement buses saw only a bus ev20mins. A mix of double and single trams operate East Didsbury to Oldham Mumps ev12mins – enhanced 0700-1900 giving two trams ev12 mins. Ticket acceptance resumed on bus services: 17, 57, 402, 403, 409, 411, 434, 435, 436, 450, 451, & 455 and on trains between Victoria and Rochdale.
From midnight To allow trams to safely return to the depot and for more double trams to operate, from midnight until the end of the service, replacement buses operated between Rochdale Town Centre and Monsall. (last buses from Rochdale arrive Oldham after last tram leaves for Queens Rd Depot)
Bus operating times
First bus: 05:29 Oldham Mumps to Rochdale Town Centre; 06:00 - Rochdale Town Centre to Oldham Mumps. Bus services will then operate every 20 minutes.
Last bus: 00:29 Oldham Mumps to Rochdale Town Centre; 01:00 - Rochdale Town Centre to Monsall
The journey between Rochdale Town Centre and Oldham Mumps takes approx 45 mins.
The journey between Rochdale Town Centre and Monsall takes approx 1 hr 30 mins.
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