Manchester to Leeds

[Masboroughlad]

If you have a Manchester to Leeds open ticket, it it valid via Sheffield?

 

[yorkie]

No. The relevant maps are:

MANCHESTER GROUP - LEEDS GROUP:

• LY
• MH + TP
• TP

 

[bb21]

If you have a Manchester to Leeds open ticket, it it valid via Sheffield?

What's the ticket you have in hand?

 

[mm333]

If you're travelling after the morning peak, the South Pennine Day Ranger is valid via Sheffield. Except that between Sheffield and Leeds, you have to travel on a train that calls at Barnsley.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/promotions/pra5d5c70a040002003ffec51cbc6f81/details.html

 

[Welshman]

If you're travelling after the morning peak, the South Pennine Day Ranger is valid via Sheffield. Except that between Sheffield and Leeds, you have to travel on a train that calls at Barnsley.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/promotions/pra5d5c70a040002003ffec51cbc6f81/details.html

Do you?

I know the map doesn't show the route XC trains normally take, but I seem to remember a long discussion about this a while back.

A few months ago, I used such a ticket on a XC train between Sheffield and Leeds, and it was accepted by the Conductor with no problems.

 

[yorkie]

If you're travelling after the morning peak, the South Pennine Day Ranger is valid via Sheffield. Except that between Sheffield and Leeds, you have to travel on a train that calls at Barnsley.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/promotions/pra5d5c70a040002003ffec51cbc6f81/details.html

Nowhere there does it say the train must call at Barnsley. Only if using a combination of tickets, does the train need to call anywhere (unless one is a season and the other(s) is/are not).

Also, have you seen South Pennine Day Ranger & Cross Country trains? (The customer was refunded)

 

[Masboroughlad]

No. The relevant maps are:

MANCHESTER GROUP - LEEDS GROUP:

• LY
• MH + TP
• TP

Are the maps internal rail industry ones to help with ticketing? How do they work exactly?

 

[ainsworth74]

The maps are from the Routeing Guide which enables passengers and rail staff to determine what the permitted routes are for a ticket. It is a complex and difficult document to use requiring the sacrifice of your first born (or the promise of such). But essentially you look up to routeing points for the stations on the ticket, then you can find out what map combinations you need and then finally you can trace a route using the maps between the two stations and as long as it doesn't involve doubling back or travelling through the same routeing point twice it's a permitted route.

That's a very very simple outline of a rather complex document. If you want to know more I suggest you read through the website and then come here with any questions you may have (which are likely to be many ).