Are they doing 2tph straight away? Especially with covid, I thought they might keep it at 1tph with much better capacity.I think the biggest changes will be on the MML with the introduction of 360s and 30 min Corby service.
Are they doing 2tph straight away? Especially with covid, I thought they might keep it at 1tph with much better capacity.
So will this be the timetable change in which the Nottingham services both call only at Kettering & Market Harborough on their way to Leicester?The interaction would be Corby services taking calls out of the longer distance stuff via Leicester; you might need 2tph just to keep the same frequency at Wellingborough and Kettering, if some of those stops are taken out of the Nottingham etc services.
So will this be the timetable change in which the Nottingham services both call only at Kettering & Market Harborough on their way to Leicester?
Very true. I’d be interested to know how Bedford and Wellingborough travellers feel about losing their direct Leicester and Nottingham service...I'd presume so; don't see why you'd introduce 2tph to Corby with those calls then only to withdraw the calls at a later date in the other services.
They've got the units for 2 tph but will they get the train crew trained in time?Are they doing 2tph straight away? Especially with covid, I thought they might keep it at 1tph with much better capacity.
They aren't happy about it but they get half hourly journey opportunities with a change at Kettering instead of an hourly direct train which is probably an acceptable compromise.Very true. I’d be interested to know how Bedford and Wellingborough travellers feel about losing their direct Leicester and Nottingham service...
All seems to be going okay so far, no indication otherwise. The training runs have been happening since mid-December.They've got the units for 2 tph but will they get the train crew trained in time?
The best place would probably have been in the now closed EMR consultation thread here:Not sure where to mention this on the forum, but the May 21 EMR Timetable Consultation Results document is on the EMR website.
Yes, but the thread was closed.The best place would probably have been in the now closed EMR consultation thread here:
as it’s actually the response to that consultation, presumably running 6 months late.EMR December 2020 Timetable Consultation
EMR have published it's proposals for December 2020. The main change is the introduction of the electric services between London and Corby, and on the Regional side Derby to Nottingham increasing to 4tph (2tph XC and 2 EMR) by extending Crewe services to Newark Castle instead of the Matlock...www.railforums.co.uk
The actual consultation response pdf is here:
Not sure where to mention this on the forum, but the May 21 EMR Timetable Consultation Results document is on the EMR website.
Thanks for the heads up and link. If this does go ahead in May then this is what I can make out:The best place would probably have been in the now closed EMR consultation thread here:
as it’s actually the response to that consultation, presumably running 6 months late.EMR December 2020 Timetable Consultation
EMR have published it's proposals for December 2020. The main change is the introduction of the electric services between London and Corby, and on the Regional side Derby to Nottingham increasing to 4tph (2tph XC and 2 EMR) by extending Crewe services to Newark Castle instead of the Matlock...www.railforums.co.uk
The actual consultation response pdf is here:
Derby - Crewe.Thanks for the heads up and link. If this does go ahead in May then this is what I can make out:
Intercity:
London to Corby goes 30 min with 360's.
London to Nottingham and Sheffield journeys sped up south of Kettering but 2 peak calls at Bedford and Wellingborough for journeys towards Leicester.
Sundays mornings will continue with 2ph to London and a Corby shuttle with the afternoon service being broadly the same as the Monday to Saturday service (6 per hour out of St Pancras)
A additional Lincoln - London service.
Leeds service becomes 1 journey in the evening returning to Derby.
York weekend service becomes 2 per day. Only mentions this under Sunday services.
First southbound services are up to a hour earlier during the week.
Also on the regional side (I thought these were happening in December 2021??):
Nottingham - Worksop - More consistent service and additional Saturday evening service through to Worksop by extending a service from Mansfield.
Leicester - Lincoln - Grimsby - Later evening services between Nottingham and Leicester and weekday services will extend to Grimsby off peak every two hours.
Nottingham - Skegness - Summer trains to run throughout the year (Old HST services?), Improved Sunday service (10 journeys).
Doncaster - Peterborough - More consistent service (Hourly?)
Liverpool - Norwich - Earlier and Later services to compensate for the loss of London - Nottingham - Leeds services. Additional late service from Manchester to Nottingham.
Matlock - Newark - Newark to Nottingham now moved to the Crewe service. Sunday service improved (Hourly throughout?)
Derby - Crewe - Extended to Nottingham and Newark in place of the Matlock service Monday to Saturday. Later evening service.
The best place would probably have been in the now closed EMR consultation thread here:
as it’s actually the response to that consultation, presumably running 6 months late.EMR December 2020 Timetable Consultation
EMR have published it's proposals for December 2020. The main change is the introduction of the electric services between London and Corby, and on the Regional side Derby to Nottingham increasing to 4tph (2tph XC and 2 EMR) by extending Crewe services to Newark Castle instead of the Matlock...www.railforums.co.uk
The actual consultation response pdf is here:
Thanks for the heads up and link. If this does go ahead in May then this is what I can make out:
Intercity:
London to Corby goes 30 min with 360's.
London to Nottingham and Sheffield journeys sped up south of Kettering but 2 peak calls at Bedford and Wellingborough for journeys towards Leicester.
Sundays mornings will continue with 2ph to London and a Corby shuttle with the afternoon service being broadly the same as the Monday to Saturday service (6 per hour out of St Pancras)
A additional Lincoln - London service.
Leeds service becomes 1 journey in the evening returning to Derby.
York weekend service becomes 2 per day. Only mentions this under Sunday services.
First southbound services are up to a hour earlier during the week.
Also on the regional side (I thought these were happening in December 2021??):
Nottingham - Worksop - More consistent service and additional Saturday evening service through to Worksop by extending a service from Mansfield.
Leicester - Lincoln - Grimsby - Later evening services between Nottingham and Leicester and weekday services will extend to Grimsby off peak every two hours.
Nottingham - Skegness - Summer trains to run throughout the year (Old HST services?), Improved Sunday service (10 journeys).
Doncaster - Peterborough - More consistent service (Hourly?)
Liverpool - Norwich - Earlier and Later services to compensate for the loss of London - Nottingham - Leeds services. Additional late service from Manchester to Nottingham.
Matlock - Newark - Newark to Nottingham now moved to the Crewe service. Sunday service improved (Hourly throughout?)
Derby - Crewe - Extended to Nottingham and Newark in place of the Matlock service Monday to Saturday. Later evening service.
I would doubt that they were too busy, since they went via Nottingham. First stop before Sheffield was Wakefield, which has a much faster, much more frequent London service. Surely it’s now just being kept for the small amount of Sheffield, Derby and Leicester commuters from Leeds.Leeds was I assume run because of the need to get the HSTs to Neville Hill. Did the journeys they made attract many passengers. This timetable change suggests not.
It’s not really “news”, is it? I’m sure we’ve discussed it in detail last year some time...Interesting that a daily Leeds working will be retained.
Sounds like an evening St Pancras-Sheffield extending to Leeds, then returning in service to Derby.
Not really as you could count the number of commuters from the East Midlands to Leeds on one hand, I suspect getting a cut of the London to Leeds revenue is more to do with it.iI would doubt that they were too busy, since they went via Nottingham. First stop before Sheffield was Wakefield, which has a much faster, much more frequent London service. Surely it’s now just being kept for the small amount of Sheffield, Derby and Leicester commuters from Leeds.
It’s not really “news”, is it? I’m sure we’ve discussed it in detail last year some time...
In fact it was mentioned in Dec 2019, in the earlier consultation thread, referencing a track access application:
EMR December 2020 Timetable Consultation
Some alterations are needed to the proposals. Current 1645 Nottingham HST service to St. Pancras deposits a large number of passengers getting off the train at Luton Town station. This service will need to be retained. I use it often. There will be a need for some direct through service...www.railforums.co.uk
Sorry that wasn’t my intention, the thing is that the almost complete loss of the Leeds service was widely discussed in a few different threads ever since the end of the HST became near, and it was when Leeds didn‘t get a mention in the new franchise ITT that people first started raising the possibility. So I wrongly thought most members would have been forewarned about the issue.I sincerely apologise for not trawling through a completely different thread from over 12 months ago to find that.
Just so i understand, there will be two services each way from St. Pancras to York?York weekend service becomes 2 per day. Only mentions this under Sunday services.
All it says is extensions to the Sheffield service so it could mean London or Leicester/Derby like some early/late services currently. At the moment the Sunday journey to York starts at Leicester at 1020 with the evening return journey going all the way to London.Just so i understand, there will be two services each way from St. Pancras to York?
Sorry that wasn’t my intention, the thing is that the almost complete loss of the Leeds service was widely discussed in a few different threads ever since the end of the HST became near, and it was when Leeds didn‘t get a mention in the new franchise ITT that people first started raising the possibility. So I wrongly thought most members would have been forewarned about the issue.
I don’t understand why the London-Lincoln Service is needed at all. Both Lincoln and Newark are well served, and much more quickly, to Kings Cross by LNER. Two villages (Collingham, Lowdham) are therefore the only beneficiaries from a through London service. Is there not a case for diverting this service up to the much larger town of Mansfield instead?
All it says is extensions to the Sheffield service so it could mean London or Leicester/Derby like some early/late services currently. At the moment the Sunday journey to York starts at Leicester at 1020 with the evening return journey going all the way to London.