One manned Class 20 at each end of the consist is powerful enough to haul the load but the communication between them would be via radio and good co-ordination between the drivers. In the circumstances, if Class 20's being used then operationally much easier to have pairs at one or both ends of a train (as well as fail safe option in case of an unlikely loco failure).
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Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates
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paddyb6
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Been out all this week, 018 Mon, Tues and Wed. 016 on Thurs.
Sam 76
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Reading the article in the Echo it implies that staff training has begun on the new units but it's being delayed with the current covid circumstances. So does this mean unions came to an agreement recently ? 
jamesst
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Reading the article in the Echo it implies that staff training has begun on the new units but it's being delayed with the current covid circumstances. So does this mean unions came to an agreement recently ?
Not 1 bit of driver or guard training has taken place and there's no sign of it starting soon.
Sam 76
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I thought it was odd but it seemed it came form the programme leader so
Wanted to see if anyone knew here. Thanks for the answer !!!
So the Echo just straight up lied?
Not really. It’s just a statement saying covid is delaying rollout and staff training is one of the things listed as being affected.
Covid can be delaying the training by delaying the conversations required to agree to start the training.
jamesst
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An agreement with the guards has yet to be signed off, once that's sorted talks with the drivers should begin.
And frankly I wouldn't believe a word the Echo prints anyway!!
Assuming talks did begin soon, any (optimistic or otherwise) predictions of how smoothly/swiftly an agreement might be reached, and hence when the trains might start in service?
ExRes
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Possibility of a 777 transfer next tuesday, RTT are currently showing SLC operated 0Z20 Derby RTC to Leicester LIP, 6Z20 to Crewe CS and 5Q20 to Kirkdale CS
DJH1971
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Well 2 years since the first unit was delivered and still no sign of them entering revenue earning service.
I know the pandemic has not helped matters.
I know the pandemic has not helped matters.
Nicholas Lewis
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Pandemic is six months delay rest of it is down to Liverpool Combined Authority not managing their relationship with its workforce.
I have a feeling the LCA will just blame the pandemic for the whole 2 years.
Nicholas Lewis
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Undoubtedly that is unfortunately a gift to any failing organisation to the extent that i can see a deterioration across the board in our society seeping in.
There maybe work to extend the platforms at Souhport Station starting soon ....
I say this because I walked through the station yesterday morning and there were some surveryors with theit theolodite measuring things by the closed entrance to Mark & Spencers and the M2Gp shop.
I say this because I walked through the station yesterday morning and there were some surveryors with theit theolodite measuring things by the closed entrance to Mark & Spencers and the M2Gp shop.
DJH1971
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At the rate they are going, they will end up having to be refurbished before even entering service!
Don't they have to be 'refurbished' anyway to make they compatible with guard operation?
Nicholas Lewis
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Re-engineered maybe
ExRes
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777005 reported on WNXX as the unit being moved on 1905 5Q20 Crewe CS to Kirkdale CS tonight
With the transfer of No 777005 back to Kirkdale from Crewe last night, No's 50008, 20189 and 20205 doing the honours, below is the updated list of the location of the UK Class 777's. Further information / updates always welcome.
Current locations:
Kirkdale = 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 010, 016 and 018.
Crewe C.S. = 006, 007, 008, 009, 012 and 014.
Current locations:
Kirkdale = 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 010, 016 and 018.
Crewe C.S. = 006, 007, 008, 009, 012 and 014.
MatthewRead
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So when will these come into service?
DJH1971
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That's the question everyone on here wants to know.
jamesst
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And the question that there's literally no answer to, official or unofficial.
'Someone' at Merseytravel suggested this year which could be 31st December for all we know. Until the parties involved get 'agreements' into place, then Class 777's are not going anywhere other than training / ecs runs! In the meantime, you still have over 35 more Class 777's still to be delivered and it has been sometime since the last one was delivered to the UK.
May be by the time the Class 777's are finally introduced, the additional work required (eg Southport Station platforms) may have been completed and there fore may not need to keep the proposed 10 Class 507's to cover that diagram!
TheSel
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2017. Or at least that's what 'The Champion' (the local paper) said in its issue dated 16 May 2012. Scan of relevant article below.
The Southport Champion was of course only printing what Merseytravel said at the time. Had the 777s even been ordered in 2017?