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Are there any people here who are or know anyone with sources of detailed info on the CLC line from Liverpool to Southport and the Liverpool, Crosby and Southport lines in the early years when there was four platforms at Sandhills four tracks going north?
I have looked at wiki and a few books but wondered if there were more sources of info. Societies or talks. Things like that.
 
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Paul Bolger's book "An Illustrated History of The Cheshire Lines Committee" (Heyday, 1984) is very good on the S&CLER but probably not the easiest book to find these days!

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I've got that one :). And two by Nigel Dykoff. But I wonder if they are two editions of the same book.
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I was looking at pictures of Seaforth and Litherland station in the overhead rail days. It had four tracks. I wondered if two stopped there as Waterloo as far as I can tell had only ever had two. I thought maybe the two outer lines served the overhead railway connection to Seaforth sands and went no further than Litherland. Or did they come up from exchange? I know Sandhills had four tracks as did Bootle new strand.
 

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I was looking at pictures of Seaforth and Litherland station in the overhead rail days. It had four tracks. I wondered if two stopped there as Waterloo as far as I can tell had only ever had two. I thought maybe the two outer lines served the overhead railway connection to Seaforth sands and went no further than Litherland. Or did they come up from exchange? I know Sandhills had four tracks as did Bootle new strand.

Just an idea, but was not Seaforth and Litherland station also the northern terminal station of the Liverpool Overhead Railway, so two of the four tracks most probably were used by that railway.

Just for general information, the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway built its North Mersey Branch from Gladstone Dock, the line of which went just south of the area to Fazakerley Junction and had stations at Linacre Road, Ford and at Aintree Racecourse.
 

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I've got that one :). And two by Nigel Dykoff. But I wonder if they are two editions of the same book.
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I was looking at pictures of Seaforth and Litherland station in the overhead rail days. It had four tracks. I wondered if two stopped there as Waterloo as far as I can tell had only ever had two. I thought maybe the two outer lines served the overhead railway connection to Seaforth sands and went no further than Litherland. Or did they come up from exchange? I know Sandhills had four tracks as did Bootle new strand.

Yes, all four tracks came up from Exchange. Sandhills, Bank Hall, Bootle Oriel Road, Marsh Lane & Strand Road (Now Bootle New Strand) all had four tracks & platforms.
Waterloo was the original terminus of The Liverpool & Crosby Railway, until the extension to Southport opened a few years later. Which probably explains why there were only ever 2 platforms at Waterloo.
In regard to Seaforth, the 2 western tracks also served the spur off to Seaforth Sands & the original start of the Overhead Railway. The outer platform was taken out of use sometime in the early 40's due to wartime damage. So until the end of 1956, the Overhead trains would have arrived & departed from what would have then been platform 2 (now the current platform 1).

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The outer two tracks at Seaforth and Litherland station were used by trains from Southport to Liverpool Exchange which did not stop at some or all of Seaforth, Marsh Lane, Bootle, and Bank Hall. Mainly in peak hours. The Overhead railway trains terminated and reversed on the inner of these two tracks. The platform on the seaward track having burnt down at some time. The four tracks became two at Seaforth North Junction, just a short distance on the Southport side of Seaforth Station. Waterloo station never had four tracks, but the line originally crossed South Road by a level crossing situated on the seaward side of the present road bridge which was built in the 1880's.

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Are there any people here who are or know anyone with sources of detailed info on the CLC line from Liverpool to Southport and the Liverpool, Crosby and Southport lines in the early years when there was four platforms at Sandhills four tracks going north?
I have looked at wiki and a few books but wondered if there were more sources of info. Societies or talks. Things like that.

Try "The Lost Railways of Lancashire" by Gordon Suggitt, Amazon has a couple at c. £10.00

This has a good chapter on the CLC route from Aintree to Southport.
 

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Thanks for that info. Would this mean that fast trains would have to slow a bit after Seaforth once they were reduced to sharing the two tracks with the stopper trains?
 

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Regarding Seaforth - while you can't always rely 100% on Ordnance Survey maps for details of railway track, large scale historic maps can still often be useful.

Zooming in on this 1938 revision (published 1947) of the OS Six-Inch-to-One-Mile series gives a good explanation of the arrangements of LOR & the various LMS lines around Seaforth Sands and Seaforth & Litherland stations - as described above by Scouseinmanc, Paul Sidorczuk and Itsonlyme.
 
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