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BRFares lists the saveaway as being valid anytime, whilst the Merseytravel website says that it isnt valid for journeys starting between 06:31 and 09:29. Which is correct?
I assumed it would beThe latter, with the restriction applying weekdays only.
Does the restriction also apply to bus travel?The latter, with the restriction applying weekdays only.
Yes; but just like the trains it is the timetabled (not actual) departure time that counts.Does the restriction also apply to bus travel
Yes; but just like the trains it is the timetabled (not actual) departure time that counts.
If ive understood that correctly, you are saying that you can't travel, say, St. Helens to Southport as you will need to pass through the barriers onto the Low Level platform at Lime Street?Indeed, you can pass through ticket barriers/board trains before 6.30am on a normal weekday using Saveaway tickets, & alight well after 6.30am, Merseyside is one of the few areas that still have off peak travel & ticket validity before 6.30am normal weekday.
The restrictions are quite odd for those who don't use Saveaways or not used to the system, if the train is timed to depart 6.27am Saveaway is valid but from the next station departure is 6.30am it won't be valid unless you're already on the train, you're also allowed to connect with other trains past 6.30am if boarded before 6.30am as long as you don't exit the station passing through ticket/ checks/barriers.
Yes; but just like the trains it is the timetabled (not actual) departure time that counts.
You could travel St Helens - Edge Hill/Lime Street - Hunts Cross - Southport, adding ~45 minutes to journey time, but you couldn't change directly at Lime Street.If ive understood that correctly, you are saying that you can't travel, say, St. Helens to Southport as you will need to pass through the barriers onto the Low Level platform at Lime Street?
Still doesn't change the fact that's it's the scheduled departure time that determines validity, as per the terms and conditions.Bus drivers being bus drivers, they are more likely to look at their watch.
You could travel St Helens - Edge Hill/Lime Street - South Parkway - Southport, adding ~45 minutes to journey time, but you couldn't change directly at Lime Street.
There are now ticket barriers at Liverpool South Parkway so you wouldn't be able to do that journey.
If ive understood that correctly, you are saying that you can't travel, say, St. Helens to Southport as you will need to pass through the barriers onto the Low Level platform at Lime Street?
Still doesn't change the fact that's it's the scheduled departure time that determines validity, as per the terms and conditions.
Not between different platforms.
Yeah, that would workStatto said:Actually to do the journey you could go through Hunts Cross rather than Liverpool South Parkway
Yes, but there isn't a barrier between the Northern line and the City line, for interchanging travellers.
Yup, as long as you don't break your journeyWould this be valid then?
06:16 Hough Green-Hunts Cross
06:36 Hunts Cross-Liverpool Ctl
07:15 Liverpool Ctl-Chester
Aye, ye be correct, I had a different station in mindYes there is, you have to go through both barriers even if interchanging from City line to Northern line. http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/SME/html/NRE_LPY/plan.html?rtnloc=LPY
You don't need to pass through the barriers for the low level platform. I don't know what your options are for avoiding the high level barriers, though. Getting a train to Liverpool South Parkway and back could work, but it's probably slower than using Merseyrail to Hunts Cross.If ive understood that correctly, you are saying that you can't travel, say, St. Helens to Southport as you will need to pass through the barriers onto the Low Level platform at Lime Street?
So they're basically telling you to go out of your way to avoid a ticket check?!!An LM service from South Parkway to Lime Street would arrive on P7/8/9 which are unbarriered.
Then using the lift in Lime Street wouldn't go through a barrier either. So that would fall within Merseyrail's definition of a single journey.
Well, for the Saveaway to be valid for the through journey, apparently soSo they're basically telling you to go out of your way to avoid a ticket check?!!
I wouldn't complain too much, most of the viable alternatives are stricter. Think of it as an officially sanctioned loophole.
... So not a loophole at all then.
I would hope ITSO readers on the buses are programmed to accept Saveaway tickets loaded onto the (ridiculously named) Walrus smartcard, when tapped before 0630.
Most people who travel by train before 6.30 place too high a monetary value on their time to do that. I don't think there's any great principle in this rule, but that it's just an easy one to enforce.So they're basically telling you to go out of your way to avoid a ticket check?!!
Most people who travel by train before 6.30 place too high a monetary value on their time to do that. I don't think there's any great principle in this rule, but that it's just an easy one to enforce.