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Hentis

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Not sure if thishas been posted but Victa Westlink are to order 4 66's from Electromotive Division in Canada. These will be in the number range of 66801 - 66804 (why it cant be 66800 - 803 is beyond me!!). These should be available by Easter 2008.

(taken from this weeks Railway Herald).

So we now have:

66001 - 66250 EWS /Eurocargo Rail
66401 - 66430 DRS*
66501 - 66594 Freightliner
66601 - 66625 Freightliner
66701 - 66732 GBRF*
66801 - 66804 Victa Westlink*
66951 - 66952 Freightliner

Thats 5 companies in the Uk operating the Type 66 loco. Not bad really.
* Locos also on order.

things are looking bleak for non 66 lovers!!!

Cheers

Hentis
 
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I presume the Victa Sheds (erm... Veds?) will be used on their freight services, and 47832 will be used on charters?
 

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Didnt DRS want to use te 66/8 range, but couldn't because they clashed with the numbers of some carriages in either EMU's or DMU's?

That's right, cock-up by Railway Herald I think, as 66801-4 are already in traffic with South West Trains! Unless they are to be renumbered?
 

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66801-4 are already in traffic with South West Trains
Are you sure? I've just had a look through on http://www.thejunction.org.uk/ and no SWT units seem to have numbers in this range. As far as I can see, the following are clear:
66/3 (originally kept clear for additional EWS orders, I suppose now the Germans have come in this is more likely),
66/8
There is the also the question of where any further Freightliner 66/5 orders will go as they are getting close to 66601 which is obviously already taken.
However, I am surprised at the Victa order, seeing as they are a newly set up company with access to other locos, I would have thought they would build up traffic first, using older traction, and then place an order, thus minimising risk. Unless long term contracts have already been signed of course.
 

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66801-10 (along with 66851-60) are formed in 450101-10. Rather a daft thing to do by whoever decided to allocate those IDs to some units!
 

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I think everyione has assumed that they will be in the 66/8 series, as a small model of the VictaWestlink 66 has the number 66801 on it.
 

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I think everyione has assumed that they will be in the 66/8 series, as a small model of the VictaWestlink 66 has the number 66801 on it.


So what other number range will they take then?

Mostly all new TOC's that have taken on a new batch of 66's have been assigned new number ranges, The only number rabgers not in use are 66/3, 66/8 & 66/9 abliet 951 and 952 by Freightliner. I think EWS will want to keep the 66/3 series for themselves, so in my book it would leave either 66/8 or 66/9 and I dont think VWR would want a break of 2 locos if there to choose to have more than 50+ 66/9's

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66801-10 (along with 66851-60) are formed in 450101-10. Rather a daft thing to do by whoever decided to allocate those IDs to some units!
Ah yes,I see, please accept my appologies, I just looked at the start of each numbering range and assumed that they would carry on in a logical fashion. Presumably 68201 & 64301 are taken by something else then? I agree, it is a daft idea to use those ranges.
The only number rabgers not in use are 66/3, 66/8 & 66/9 abliet 951 and 952 by Freightliner. I think EWS will want to keep the 66/3 series for themselves, so in my book it would leave either 66/8 or 66/9 and I dont think VWR would want a break of 2 locos if there to choose to have more than 50+ 66/9's
On a similar note to 66/8, 66901-917 and 66921-937 are also used in class 450s. I do feel though that it is unlikely that Victa would order more than 50 class 66s. I would also not be surprised to see any additional Freightliner 66s go into the 66/9 range, as I believe that the new build have had the low emission mods from new, like 66951/2.
 

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I would also not be surprised to see any additional Freightliner 66s go into the 66/9 range, as I believe that the new build have had the low emission mods from new, like 66951/2.

Correct. When 66599 is reached, any more locos will become 66953 onwards...
 

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Why don't they have 66626 onwards first....? Are these for heavy haul and the 66/9s for intermodals etc.?
 

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Why don't they have 66626 onwards first....? Are these for heavy haul and the 66/9s for intermodals etc.?

66/6s are lower geared (apparently) but the whole Freightliner 66 fleet is a shambles as both Intermodel and Heavy Haul 66s are combined from 66501 - 66592, and sectioned in about batchs of 5 or 10, so 66501 - 66505 are Intermodel, 66506 - 66515 are Heavy Haul and so on. The whole fleet needs to be reclassified sensibly with 66/5s being Intermodels and 66/6s Heavy Haul, or else combing the 66/5s into Intermodel and Heavy Haul batchs, so (e.g.) 66501 - 66540 for Intermodel, 66541 - 66592 for HH (don't know the exact numbers.
 

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66/6s are lower geared (apparently) but the whole Freightliner 66 fleet is a shambles as both Intermodel and Heavy Haul 66s are combined from 66501 - 66592, and sectioned in about batchs of 5 or 10, so 66501 - 66505 are Intermodel, 66506 - 66515 are Heavy Haul and so on. The whole fleet needs to be reclassified sensibly with 66/5s being Intermodels and 66/6s Heavy Haul, or else combing the 66/5s into Intermodel and Heavy Haul batchs, so (e.g.) 66501 - 66540 for Intermodel, 66541 - 66592 for HH (don't know the exact numbers.
Why?! The current setup causes no day to day problems so why change what aint broke?!

In answer to the original question; 66/6s have a lower top speed and a higher hauling capability and therefore some 75mph diagrams are unsuitable for these. Likewise the trains with heavier loads are unsuitable for 66/5s. Having what would effectively be 66/5s numbered in the 666xx range would cause train planners trouble as they wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two types.
 
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