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My proposals to require people with mental & physical disabilities to wear masks

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
 
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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
I'm sure your opinion would be different if you found it difficult to wear a mask.

Some thought for others would be nice.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.

I personally don't have any of the aforementioned exemption reasons, and I wear a mask as required (just for an easy life); but even I find it quite limiting on my breathing, and I have 100% healthy lungs. I absolutely understand people who find it difficult. My mum for example gets breathless in many normal situations after various operations in the past, and there's no way I'd expect her to wear a mask as it could well bring on an episode.

To say all these exemption reasons are "weak excuses" shows a complete lack of empathy around what some people have to face.

And by saying 'its just a thin piece of material' probably shows how pointless they are anyway... (especially given the lack of data showing their effectiveness).
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
What absolute nonsense.

Exemptions exist for a reason.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.

Could you be any more ignorant? I've already posted very similar responses in this very thread but again it's completely relevant.

As a simple example, a rape victim may not be able to wear a mask because it brings back traumatic memories of the time the attacker had a hand over their mouth.

If you consider that, cannot see the reason why your post is an absolute disgrace and still maintain your simplistic view then the level of idiocy in this country has reached bounds greater than I first thought.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
You are not me. You have no insight into or understanding of my phobias at all. I'm sure you are not the thoroughly unpleasant person this post makes you appear, but it may be worth thinking more before you post further on the topic.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.

Well tough cause there are exemptions so if i was you i would keep quiet. I bet you are the type of person who when they see someone on a train without a mask confronts them.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
The Government saw fit to legislate that certain conditions exempt people from being required to wear a face covering. It has not found it necessary to alter those exemptions for the latest lockdown.

The number of people availing of exemptions has been low in any case, and there are far bigger things we should be focusing on right now, rather than making some peoples' lives hell by insisting they wear a face covering.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
“ Its a thin piece of material“ so makes no difference what so ever.
 

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I have asthma and I have no issue wearing one. I do find it annoying having to remember to take one with me everywhere and did find it annoying at the start but got used to it very quickly (like how when I first wore a wedding ring it was very annoying but I quickly got used to it).

Now I don't think everybody can or should wear one but I do think there are a number of people who exaggerate the impact of wearing one or just pretend they have something.
 

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“ Its a thin piece of material“ so makes no difference what so ever.
Really, mine is neither thin and it does make a difference, take it there was some sarcasm in your post?
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
Is this a trolling post? If you need to be on oxygen you're suggesting wearing a mask over your oxygen mask and/or tubes??? If people not wearing masks scare you so much, you're free to keep as far away from them as you wish.

There are dictatorships in the rest of the world that I'm sure would welcome you with open arms.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis.
I don't agree. There is little evidence mask mandates make much difference, if any.


All the exemptions are excuses really.
How do you define an "excuse"?

It's a thin piece of material.
Which means it makes very little difference.


All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.
I take it you don't know many people with disabilities, conditions such as asthma, skin conditions, mental heath conditions, and much more?


You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
I don't understand what you are saying.
 

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Well tough cause there are exemptions so if i was you i would keep quiet. I bet you are the type of person who when they see someone on a train without a mask confronts them.
Providing the person not wearing a mask is not bigger than them or aggressive looking.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.

You are either a troll, or a very nasty person who has no idea of what other people go through, either now or in the past.

The law regarding masks is what it is.

It is not what you think it is, nor is it what you think it should be.

If you can't cope with that, well that is just too bad.
 

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That went down like clap for carers, unsuprisingly! I don't think it was a serious post, at least I hope not....
 

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“ Its a thin piece of material“ so makes no difference what so ever.
Exactly. Anyway I don't consider any of my face masks to be thin.

As for exemptions there absolutely are people who are unable to wear a mask for very legitimate reasons. For example I have a relative with COPD. He gets rather out of breath from walking, even if the distance is quite short and uses a nebuliser on a daily basis to help with this. There is absolutely no way he would be able to wear a mask.

If the OP is afraid of the risks of being near a person not wearing a mask then I recommend that they stay at home at all times so they don't ever encounter any maskless people.
 

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Really, mine is neither thin and it does make a difference, take it there was some sarcasm in your post?
Not at all, the OP said it was a thin piece of material not me. If you want to ware a mask that’s fine but I do not, in a free country this would be left to individual choice.
 

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Not at all, the OP said it was a thin piece of material not me. If you want to ware a mask that’s fine but I do not, in a free country this would be left to individual choice.
Ok, sorry misinterpreted what you'd written.
 

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And by saying 'its just a thin piece of material' probably shows how pointless they are anyway... (especially given the lack of data showing their effectiveness).
Except that the non-medical masks that the general public are encouraged to wear aren't intended to protect the wearer- they're intended to protect everyone else. I can't believe there are still people who don't understand this after 9 months. There's a plethora of data showing that they are very effective at preventing the wearer from spraying droplets of snot and sputum everywhere.

Far be it for me to defend the OP, who seems misguided at best, but there likely are some people out there who are claiming they "can't" wear a mask on the bus when in reality they just don't want to (or have watched a few episodes of Parks & Rec and misunderstood the humour of the Ron Swanson character)... yet if the bus goes past a farm with the smell of manure, they'll pull their shirt over their face without having breathing difficulties!
 

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Except that the non-medical masks that the general public are encouraged to wear aren't intended to protect the wearer- they're intended to protect everyone else. I can't believe there are still people who don't understand this after 9 months. There's a plethora of data showing that they are very effective at preventing the wearer from spraying droplets of snot and sputum everywhere.

Far be it for me to defend the OP, who seems misguided at best, but there likely are some people out there who are claiming they "can't" wear a mask on the bus when in reality they just don't want to (or have watched a few episodes of Parks & Rec and misunderstood the humour of the Ron Swanson character)... yet if the bus goes past a farm with the smell of manure, they'll pull their shirt over their face without having breathing difficulties!

No, I'm fully aware of their purpose. I've read much of the literature.

Mask studies showing effectiveness are from studies done with medical professionals in controlled conditions (eg surgery), and changed regularly. This is indisputable.

However, the cheap Amazon masks or homemade masks used by the public have no evidence that they have the desired effect to a significant degree, and hardly anybody uses them properly. Yes they stop big globules from emitting if you're coughing, but virus particles can travel on aerosols which will easily fly through them. On top of that, the false sense of security masks bring also negates any advantages - many people subconsciously do less of the other mitigation measures because of the mask.

I was all for masks early on, but as time has gone on I've realised they don't make any difference at all on balance, therefore castigating people for not wearing them is wrong.
 

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Except that the non-medical masks that the general public are encouraged to wear aren't intended to protect the wearer- they're intended to protect everyone else. I can't believe there are still people who don't understand this after 9 months. There's a plethora of data showing that they are very effective at preventing the wearer from spraying droplets of snot and sputum everywhere.
I can't believe there are still people going round patronisingly assuming that other people "just don't get" that the masks are for everyone's protection, and claiming that there is endless evidence to back them up. Everybody knows what's claimed, and some of us have read the various studies claiming to demonstrate efficacy. The fact of the matter is that there's scant evidence that they protect the wearer and literally no evidence outside of a trained hospital setting of them protecting others at all.

In as much as there are studies they generally show what proportion of droplets and aerosols are theoretically blocked by perfectly worn masks. The numbers there are a really long way from 100%, and for normal reusable cloth masks are less than half that for real ones.

If I could wear one I would, just because it would save me a lot of worry and inconvenience. I wouldn't for a second be foolish enough to think I was actually helping though.
 

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Say what you want about masks, but they keep your face warm on very cold days. Other than that I won't miss them.
 

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There should be no exemption from wearing a mask, given the current crisis. All the exemptions are excuses really. It's a thin piece of material. All the weak excuses about asthma, or some phobia are just - the dog ate my homework style of excuses.

You could even wear a mask over the tubes up your nose, if you are on oxygen, and breathing wise, if you need to be on oxygen, then you don't get much more ill than that.
Fortunately the people who make the laws have more common sense than you do so you can keep your proposals to your self
 

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I'm curious about the people who extoll masks as something that can keep their face warm. Have they never heard of scarves before?
 

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I'm curious about the people who extoll masks as something that can keep their face warm. Have they never heard of scarves before?

I wouldn't wear a scarf over my mouth. Too itchy. I can't imagine would complain that they can't breathe with a mask yet would happily cover their mouth with a scarf.

I'm not advocating actively wearing masks on cold days, but if I leave work or the shop and it's really cold I might just leave it on. I'd only do that if it was super cold, i.e. the cold bothers me more than the shame of being seen wearing a mask in a street. 99.9% of the time I am not that cold.
 

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Is there really a need to change the status quo? The vast majority I encounter in shops etc are wearing masks. Like with fare evasion on the railway, is the effort of 100% enforcement really worth it?
 

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Trying desperately not to take sides in this debate, but from an observational perspective it’s interesting to see the differences in attitudes (both official and public) in various countries. We are fairly relaxed, with no need to ‘prove’ anything. But Germany, for example, has no similar list of exemptions. In the US, transport providers got fed up with the government not formalising any rules, so made their own. All major airlines there enforce a strict ‘mask over mouth and nose’ policy, and don’t accept anyone for travel who refuses (for any reason, whether we would allow an exemption or not). The only exception is Delta, who allow maskless travel but only following a video consultation with their company health department, who will assess the claimed exemption. And in neither of these countries is there a huge level of non-adherence, at least in a transport setting. It seems allowing exemptions increases the incidence of people claiming them.
 

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Trying desperately not to take sides in this debate, but from an observational perspective it’s interesting to see the differences in attitudes (both official and public) in various countries. We are fairly relaxed, with no need to ‘prove’ anything. But Germany, for example, has no similar list of exemptions. In the US, transport providers got fed up with the government not formalising any rules, so made their own. All major airlines there enforce a strict ‘mask over mouth and nose’ policy, and don’t accept anyone for travel who refuses (for any reason, whether we would allow an exemption or not). The only exception is Delta, who allow maskless travel but only following a video consultation with their company health department, who will assess the claimed exemption. And in neither of these countries is there a huge level of non-adherence, at least in a transport setting. It seems allowing exemptions increases the incidence of people claiming them.

Firstly, most people are actually wearing them in this country (in Yorkshire anyway). Secondly, by not having exemptions people who can't wear one reasonably are either forced to try to do so, or excluded (but of course, equality like everything else has been sacrificed to the Deadly Killer Virus). And thirdly, there is no actual evidence that masks make any measurable difference to the risks of either passing on or catching said virus.
 

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I'm not advocating actively wearing masks on cold days, but if I leave work or the shop and it's really cold I might just leave it on. I'd only do that if it was super cold, i.e. the cold bothers me more than the shame of being seen wearing a mask in a street. 99.9% of the time I am not that cold.
Why do you find it shameful to wear a mask?
 
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