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Discussion in 'Railway History & Nostalgia' started by Jimbob_Notts, 10 Nov 2016.
Likewise. I love spawning a monster here and there!
Hopefully yorksrob and I have demonstrated that it is perfectly possible to have a respectful discussion from broadly opposite standpoints without resorting to purely emotional arguments. It's a shame that there are a few FMs who seem unable to do likewise. As Bevan Price pointed out it's unlikely that debate over the Beeching era and its long-term ramifications will ever die down completely. No doubt we will all be having similar discussions here for many years to come. I would add that such discussions are a valuable prompt to revisit various sources and occasionally re-assess one's own views.
Oh for a time machine and return to July 1912 and hand Beeching's father a condom ! LOL
Would have made no difference - someone else would have restructured the industry ......
(It had to be done - the real errors were made back in the mid 1950's , if not before...)
Partly true that there were wrong decisions made in the 50's.
But that doesn't negate the wrong decisions made in the 60's and 70's and the wrong ideological thought processes, for example that decided it was worth sacrificing the Lewes-Uckfield line to build a road by-pass.
Another must be the Bury - Rawtenstall line, which lost its passenger service in the early 1970s IIRC.
Ramsbottom is a former mill town which has become a thriving commuter town for Manchester and like the rest of the Irwell Valley desperately needs a rail link to the city. The M66 and M60 are choking and it can take an hour or more to get into work.
Yes, Ramsbottom always strikes me as very busy when I go there.
Should one discount the fact that the Bury to Manchester Metrolink line exists and there are a number of buses from both Rawtenstall and Ramsbottom to Bury Interchange (like a public transport park and ride).
Having spent many school holidays in the 50s and 60s at my aunt's near Blaenavon my nostalgia is very much for the colliary lines. Rows of wagons sitting under Big Arch, the light of the firebox as a train made its way down from Top Pits after dark. And walking on the mountain with my cousin after the colliaries had closed with most the trackwork still in place.
We once found an old quarry with the narrow gauge track still in pace and a derailed wagon. We had quite a battle trying, without success to re-rail it. (The fact that it was probably rusted solid didn't occur to a couple of 12 year olds)