New Class 93 (not IC250)

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  1. CosherB

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    Reported elsewhere online, from a reputable source:

    It has been confirmed that the forthcoming Class 93s will look similar to the Class 88s currently in use with DRS. Design specifications and which operators are planning to use them should become known in September (InnoTrans 2018).
     
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  3. Mag_seven

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    What are the class 93s?
     
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    Same question as above, plus where online does this come from and who/what is the reputable source?

    Is there something stopping you providing such basic information?
     
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    Well, there aren't THAT many operators around in need of electrics? Freightliner, possibly? Although they might be more interested in Anglia's Class 90s to mainatain fleet commonality?
     
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    Stadler to announce the project officially at Innotrans in Berlin later in September. The internals of the locomotive can be customised to the customers needs so a modular based design sounds pretty much a given.

    No other specifics have been mentioned except a Tri Mode, That could be AC Overhead/Diesel/Battery as one would expect on the continent or multi voltage/Bi Mode 25Kv AC/750v DC/Diesel.
     
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    Sounds like it could be a 125mph bi-mode locomotive for the new franchise bids like Crosscountry for hauling Mk5s?
     
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    Could be ideal for the TPE Mark 5 stock too.
     
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    I wouldn't know about that, all I know is that it's going to be a modular design internally which allows customers to choose what they want and DRS do not get a premium payment like they do of any other TOC/FOC order Class 68/88.
     
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    I think we are hoping it is a 125mph bi-mode...
     
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    something very similar was on the WNXX news page this morning.
     
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    I rather think that is where the OP obtained the news!
     
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    Why do they? Is it their design?
     
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    The "shape" might be theirs. Just like the cab front of the 220/221 was Virgins intellectual property and that is why 222s have a different front end.
     
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    Quite possibly, but surely you'd just spec a different fibreglass snout rather than pay royalties?
     
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    Possibly ..... ;)
     
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    Didn't they help fund the development of getting the Eurolight design slimmed down to fit the British loading gauge? I heard something along those lines, albeit only on the grapevine.
     
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    As far as I can see, the CrossCountry speculation has no evidence. Is it not just possible that they will be used on mixed freight?
     
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    My first thought was that this could be Freightliner's replacement for the Class 86 (if they don't go for Anglia's Class 90s)
     
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    Not sure the two are necessarily connected. According to the linked article the potential DRS requirement is for is a mixed-traffic diesel, whereas Class 93 implies predominantly electric power. Besides, the article also says DRS will make a decision by March next year while first orders for the 93 are expected in September.
     
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    Indeed; earlier hints from WNXX said that "a freight operator who moves boxes" is interested...so all that rules out is Colas, Aggregate Industries & ROG.
    Freightliner and DBC seem like the most likely bets.
    It's worth mentioning that Siemens have just announced the "Vectron Dual Mode" for Innotrans, and that they've made custom versions of their Vectrons for Finland (winterised, with Finnish running gauge)...DBC might opt for German pedigree in that sense.

    My bets are on Freightliner.
     
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    The Vectron loco always makes me think of this, for some reason...

     
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    Freightliner, DRS, DBC and GB Railfreight all move boxes.
     
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    Heh, you beat me to posting that one. It's a glorious skit.
     
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    Me too. Newish owners G&W have started to rebrand the operation, maybe they’re looking at reducing costs by starting to replace the 86s. There must be a point at which elderly electric locos become more expensive to run than new efficient Electric’s?
     
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    Indeed - and they don't have many spare 86s remaining to poach parts from...
     
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    Class 86s are owned outright and are still cheap to maintain.
     

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