The easements in the attached file have been amended wef 27/6/2012
700262 Customers travelling from West Byfleet, Byfleet & New Haw, Weybridge,
Walton On Thames, Hersham and Esher via New Malden may travel via
Surbiton. This easement applies in both directions.
700240 - can anybody find a ticket from Bramley (W Yorks) routed "not London" and dare apply the easement?
....I don't see how "700261 Customers travelling from or via Thorne South to or via Thorne North may
not travel via Kirk Sandall and/or Doncaster. This easement applies in both
directions" would work as this would be the shortest route which doesn't involve a walk.
Can anyone suggest what the point of this one is?
This is a nasty one
700266 Customers travelling from Warrington Central, Padgate, Birchwood,
Glazebrook and Irlam to Preston in possession of tickets routed "Any
Permitted" may not travel via Manchester Oxford Road. This easement
applies in both directions.
Given that Oxford Road is the only route that doesn't involve a walk between stations......
Can anyone suggest what the point of this one is?
As HHF says, this forces passengers to change at Hatfield & Stainforth, which is particularly good on Sundays when there is no Doncaster-Scunthorpe stopper, thereby removing Sunday rail links from North (East) Lincolnshire to East Yorkshire.I don't see how "700261 Customers travelling from or via Thorne South to or via Thorne North may
not travel via Kirk Sandall and/or Doncaster. This easement applies in both
directions" would work as this would be the shortest route which doesn't involve a walk.
Surely the shortest route (by rail only) between Thorne South and Thorne North is via Hatfield & Stainforth?
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As is the case with a few easements, it is to solve an issue in the journey planners.
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What about via Deansgate?
As HHF says, this forces passengers to change at Hatfield & Stainforth, which is particularly good on Sundays when there is no Doncaster-Scunthorpe stopper, thereby removing Sunday rail links from North (East) Lincolnshire to East Yorkshire.
The links are still there. They just cost 65% or so more than they did last week.As HHF says, this forces passengers to change at Hatfield & Stainforth, which is particularly good on Sundays when there is no Doncaster-Scunthorpe stopper, thereby removing Sunday rail links from North (East) Lincolnshire to East Yorkshire.
The links are still there. They just cost 65% or so more than they did last week.
27 Journeys from Derby or Leicester or via Derby or Leicester to Water Orton
may double back from Birmingham if the train does not stop at Water
Orton. This easement applies in both directions.
Sad to see that one has been deleted.
How about an easement allowing passengers who change at Clapham Junction on SWT services during peak rush hour to double back to Waterloo. Southern use to and may still have an easement in place for Clapham Junction and Victoria.
I've also never understood why no easement exists allowing Guildford to Aldershot customers the opportunity to travel via Woking. The last connecting service back from Aldershot is only via Woking but technically you need two tickets. Actually national enquires tell you to get out at Ash Green and walk to North Camp but towards midnight, i would rather not have to walk between the stations. Whilst not totally rural they are not exactly central London either. Not sure how well sign posted or lit the route is. I believe that route still requires two tickets. I've ignored this and travelled via Woking as ticket checks are unlikely. I know it's illegal but if they are so concerned, run a later train to Guildford. Many concerts finish at 23.00 or later so the 23.04 is to tight. Where as the 23.34 works fine but officially requires two tickets.
Changing at Hatfield & Stainforth has to be a mistake surely? If anyone wishes to write a letter to ATOC , the DfT and the TOCs concerned, I would of course be happy to proof read...
Another bonkers one in the Humberside area:
700242 Customers travelling from or via Barton On Humber to Cottingham and
beyond, may not travel via Hull. This easement applies in both directions.
Does this mean there are no permitted routes?!
... which they shouldn't, as the shortest route on Sundays would surely involve doubling back between Hatfield and Doncaster.
Another bonkers one in the Humberside area:
700242 Customers travelling from or via Barton On Humber to Cottingham and
beyond, may not travel via Hull. This easement applies in both directions.
Does this mean there are no permitted routes?!
That's an interesting point. Are you implying that on Sundays -
1) You can double back through a station where at least one of the services you use doesn't stop on that day?
2) The shortest route is defined as using only lines with a Sunday service?
If allowed, either of these raise interesting possibilities...
It would be interesting to know what the definitive answer is. One obvious example would be Barrow in Furness to Whitehaven on a Sunday, which can only be done by the roundabout route via Lancaster and Carlisle.How the shortest route is defined does not include situations like this. There are differing opinions as to whether the shortest route can vary depending on the service pattern of the day and we don't really have a conclusive answer.
My understanding is that the shortest route must be a route in the first place. If it cannot be done at all on service trains then it cannot be a route.
Some stations cannot be reached on Sundays which means that no alternative shortest route calculation apply, however for stations that can be reached but only via a longer route than normal, alternative calculation does exist and therefore does apply.
Some people disagree.