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New national restrictions in Scotland

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I doubt there is evidence for it, I just find it as other targets to go for, most of Hospitality is on its knees so lets go for something else or other things people are doing.

I guess if you got stopped and said exercising I wonder if you be fined? Seems likely as I am sure it be classed as "non essential"?

I assume the police are too busy patrolling the border with England?
 
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I assume the police are too busy patrolling the border with England?

Possibly or giving Sturgeon an escort?

Trouble is that I doubt this would appease the pro or anti shutdown groups.

I haven't looked on Twitter but I bet a bunch of fast food workers who desperately want to be on furlough are whinging that she's still keeping them open and using language like "putting us at risk of dying from a deadly virus".


The thing that gets me in that is I have worked (like many others) but yet we have to work yet everyone else wants to lock up and stay in - seems unfair even saying this but I guess its OK for them to complain and have more rules enforced whilst others are getting a beat down on not sticking to the rules.
 

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I haven't looked on Twitter but I bet a bunch of fast food workers who desperately want to be on furlough are whinging that she's still keeping them open and using language like "putting us at risk of dying from a deadly virus".
Maybe true of fast food places like McDonalds. In takeaways generally people will be painfully aware that their cash-in-hand job or "self employment" doesn't qualify for furlough. For places that normally operate as a restaurant or pub, most of the staff that are in will be appreciating the break from spending most of the last year staring at the same 4 walls.
 

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The staff inside can bring it to the door and hand it to you that way.

Surely that is more of a risk than going into a shop and being separate by a perspex screen?

And will surely just lead to crowding issues outside takeaways, on pavements that are not designed for queuing, and where people won't be wearing face coverings because they are outside....
 

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The alcohol one just means those people who were drinking outdoors will now drink indoors, surely?
Was that ever a problem? This seems more like they're making petty restrictions to be seen to be doing something.
 

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Was that ever a problem? This seems more like they're making petty restrictions to be seen to be doing something.


I’ve rarely seen anyone drinking alcohol outdoors as most pubs in my area are...closed (pretty sure in most of Scotland are on the same boat - stand to corrected)

The rules are petty, society has become petty!
 

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She did state this was a more of a technical change to remove a possible loophole/gap in the Regulations and to align it better with the equivalent Regulations in the other UK nations

The original lockdown legislation in England in March stated “you must not leave the place where you are living except...”, which by a strict reading meant that once you’d left home with that purpose in mind, you could spend all day outside doing whatever you wished (barring other restrictions eg gatherings), until you finally chose to return home again.

This was a ridiculous loophole and was fixed in April to say “you must not leave or remain outside the place where you are living except...”.

I haven’t seen the Scottish legislation (and don’t have time to look it up), but my guess would be that they are fixing that issue nine months after England.
 

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Well it is North Britain!


Just call us NK II

Aunty Nicola has graciously allowed takeaways to remain open, but heaven help you if you linger in the street with your fish supper.

Expect police to ask - why you here? Answer: had my supper problem?
Police: that’s it you nicked 60 quid fine

Turn this around if this was a politician it be on your way sir/mam
 

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I’ve rarely seen anyone drinking alcohol outdoors as most pubs in my area are...closed (pretty sure in most of Scotland are on the same boat - stand to corrected)

The rules are petty, society has become petty!
Did it a bit from early May onwards, and as recently as November. Obviously nobody is doing it now because it's too cold, but it's exactly the sort of rule one they will probably end up keeping on the books once we go back into tiers. Given the lack of beer gardens in Edinburgh it could be used to effectively prevent pub reopenings here until whenever they feel like it
 

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Did it a bit from early May onwards, and as recently as November. Obviously nobody is doing it now because it's too cold, but it's exactly the sort of rule one they will probably end up keeping on the books once we go back into tiers. Given the lack of beer gardens in Edinburgh it could be used to effectively prevent pub reopenings here until whenever they feel like it

Yet possibly more jobs down the pan but still see no one has told us what the exit strategy is out of the lockdown, I wouldn’t mind knowing this than what feels a never ending story where the public are being restricted whilst the politicians do sweet bug all to help.

I think it’s even pointless trying to see the media ask this too but as I said elsewhere they get the kick out of this, but I hope something comes along and takes the whole lot of them out (media/politicians etc) where is Wikileaks/Assange or Snowden when you need them?
 
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Did it a bit from early May onwards, and as recently as November. Obviously nobody is doing it now because it's too cold, but it's exactly the sort of rule one they will probably end up keeping on the books once we go back into tiers. Given the lack of beer gardens in Edinburgh it could be used to effectively prevent pub reopenings here until whenever they feel like it

Edinburgh's police force will have no chance of policing the rule as soon as it gets warmer! You'd need a dedicated force for the Meadows to start. Luckily, by the time it gets warm in Edinburgh i'd like to hope all rules are lifted or largely ignored.
 

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I’ve rarely seen anyone drinking alcohol outdoors as most pubs in my area are...closed (pretty sure in most of Scotland are on the same boat - stand to corrected)

The rules are petty, society has become petty!
I’d agree with you, a pub in Edinburgh I noticed several times doing takeaway drink had around 4 people at the most nearby
 
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I’d agree with you, one pub in Edinburgh I noticed several times doing takeaway drink had around 4 people at the most nearby


I guess in Edinburgh you can get away with it (takeaway alcohol)?
 

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I guess in Edinburgh you can get away with it (takeaway alcohol)?
Not normally. Edinburgh mostly doesn't have restrictions on drinking in public, but we do in normal times have fairly strict restrictions on off-sales from on-sale premises.

They seem to have had a UK-wide policy that everything that's normally licensed for on-premises only is suddenly licensed for off-sales and takeaways.
 

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So. Technically I would be ok to buy some flowers when I did my weekly trolley push, but couldn't make the 2 mile diversion to take them up the hill to the cemetery.
I know lines need to be defined when making restrictions, but I would feel a bit aggrieved if I were to be nipped for doing that.
 

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Not normally. Edinburgh mostly doesn't have restrictions on drinking in public, but we do in normal times have fairly strict restrictions on off-sales from on-sale premises.

They seem to have had a UK-wide policy that everything that's normally licensed for on-premises only is suddenly licensed for off-sales and takeaways.


The irony of it all
 
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The alcohol one just means those people who were drinking outdoors will now drink indoors, surely?
Was that ever a problem? This seems more like they're making petty restrictions to be seen to be doing something.

Public consumption of alcohol is banned in quite a lot of Scotland already by local by-laws - I think this is the first national restriction

In Edinburgh the pubs around the Meadows did a roaring trade in the summer - that seemed to be generally OK as there is plenty space to distance and most folk were just meeting friends for a sociable pint. There were some incidents related to excess consumption but I don't think they were serious enough to warrant a clampdown (it was more the Buckie Brigade causing the problem anyway -nowt to do with the pubs)

There have been a few pubs where groups were gathering directly outside and treating like a public beer garden by going back and buying one drink at a time. Whilst this is not actually illegal (unless a bylaw applies) I don't think it's seen as within the intent or spirit of the law regarding the sale of alcohol for consumption off the premises

This has caused the occasional crowding / lack of distancing problem and some premises were given "words of advice" by the Police and Licencing Officers.
With the current weather it's probably a bit of a non-issue

I'd much rather have this restriction than have an complete off sales ban from pubs which was a distinct possibility (or delivery only like England) as carry outs are the only thing keeping some pubs afloat (we have been making a valiant effort to support our local thoughout!)
 

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I am happy that I live in England not Scotland.

Without Nicola Sturgeon introducing or tightening some of the restrictions first I wonder if instead of following Boris & Co would not have introduced them at all or they would have been less draconian ?

Further if now Scotland was totally financially independent where the result is one or both of more people on furlough rather than working and less opportunities to spend so less income from taxation would they be able to afford some of them ?
 

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Further if now Scotland was totally financially independent where the result is one or both of more people on furlough rather than working and less opportunities to spend so less income from taxation would they be able to afford some of them ?

Scotland would have less borrowing power than the UK as a whole. Interest rates would be higher due to the risk so you could argue furlough would be unaffordable. The split from the UK would have put Scotland's finances in a pretty poor state to start with assuming it took on a fair share of national debt. In addition, if Scotland chose to stick with the £, it would not have quantitive easing powers, since it would be controlled by the Bank of England which is another mechanism HMG has used. I expect Scotland may have attempted to shut the borders if it were independent.
 

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I am happy that I live in England not Scotland.

Without Nicola Sturgeon introducing or tightening some of the restrictions first I wonder if instead of following Boris & Co would not have introduced them at all or they would have been less draconian ?

Further if now Scotland was totally financially independent where the result is one or both of more people on furlough rather than working and less opportunities to spend so less income from taxation would they be able to afford some of them ?


I just wonder if Nicola has done it before Boris again, I be surprised if something similar is mentioned shortly
 

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Is Edinburgh one of the few places you could drink on the street? You cant in Glasgow.


I wouldn't know, last time I was through was at least a couple years ago i'm guessing its down to each local council as I know mines doesn't allow it (in general)
 

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Is Edinburgh one of the few places you could drink on the street? You cant in Glasgow.
I think Glasgow has a total ban on drinking in the street anywhere in the city. Most other Scottish council I believe only ban drinking in the city centers
 

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You're joking, the North Koreans would never put up with this!

Unfortunately for me I believe most Scots are in this trap, no matter any wrongs that she does they still hail her as a Queen (I ain’t kidding)!, but of course we still get the usual rhetoric blame... you guessed it Westminster

A bit off topic - I have an SNP council I have asked for things to be done (just simple things) and more than 6 months on what they done? Nothing!
 

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Unfortunately for me I believe most Scots are in this trap, no matter any wrongs that she does they still hail her as a Queen (I ain’t kidding)!, but of course we still get the usual rhetoric blame... you guessed it Westminster
It's enormously frustrating, isn't it? I got an email from an English friend last night who was asking me if it's a good idea to move here. I had to be honest and said no, I don't think it is. The SNP have a far, far better reputation than they deserve.
 

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It's enormously frustrating, isn't it? I got an email from an English friend last night who was asking me if it's a good idea to move here. I had to be honest and said no, I don't think it is. The SNP have a far, far better reputation than they deserve.


If it was me I rather go, Scotland is slowly doing nothing for me, born here but now (unsure when) but I rather leave
 
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