New trains for East Midlands Franchise

[Haydn1971]

Maybe its the fact that its only an increase of 2. Not that great really.

Take some time to review the seats per vehicle, overall, we are looking at a 25-30% increase in seats, which is pretty stunning I’d say.

 

[43096]

Maybe its the fact that its only an increase of 2. Not that great really.

I’m making it an increase of 14 from December 2020.

 

[RealTrains07]

I’m making it an increase of 14 from December 2020.

Not 2020 iam talking about 2023

 

[RealTrains07]

Take some time to review the seats per vehicle, overall, we are looking at a 25-30% increase in seats, which is pretty stunning I’d say.

Not to bad then, i guess its only the short fall of capacity which your gotta worry about next year then

 

[43096]

Not 2020 iam talking about 2023

You need to look at seat capacity of the 804s vs 222s really. I expect the 804s will have rather more seats.

 

[hooverboy]

Unfortunately thats what happens when you make a massive order of new trains which get delayed disrupting plans of other franchises

as long as they work, I don't think you will see too many initial complaints from the commuters.

I think the EMR electrics service is likely to be very popular.Would be more popular still if they added a stop at st albans

one only has to look at when thameslink were running the "express" service through the core to st albans, luton.bedford..to see just how much of a preference said commuters had for the fast trains over the slightly more pedestrian diagrams.

 

[hooverboy]

Maybe they'd be best served by keeping a couple of HSTs on for Skegness and reliability purposes, if another unit breaks down. *ahem*180*ahem*

I'm thinking a couple of HST's and sprinters on the books as rescue trains probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

DFT should give a derogation for those if they are not intended for regular passenger service surely?
we know they are both cleared for pretty much all of EMR routes,so it's just a case of keeping a few staff trained up

 

[class26]

I'd expect the 80x type units to be too heavy for the Skegness Line. Even the HSTs are limited to low speeds in some parts. I'd suggest perhaps that more chance of Class 80x on Crewe to Newark Castle services (service pattern as per EMR Consultation) displacing the lighter Sprinter units for Skegness.

I am happy to be corrected by anyone in the know but I thought the line had been relaid a few years back so HST`s COULD run at normal line speeds? The line between Boston and Firsby is 60 mph but HST`s and loco hauled trains were reduced to 30 mph about 10 years ago before the re laying. I travelled on the line last summer on a HST and it seemed to me that it was running at the normal line speed

 

[hooverboy]

I am happy to be corrected by anyone in the know but I thought the line had been relaid a few years back so HST`s COULD run at normal line speeds? The line between Boston and Firsby is 60 mph but HST`s and loco hauled trains were reduced to 30 mph about 10 years ago before the re laying. I travelled on the line last summer on a HST and it seemed to me that it was running at the normal line speed

axle loading on a hst is not particularly high

 

[edwin_m]

as long as they work, I don't think you will see too many initial complaints from the commuters.

I think the EMR electrics service is likely to be very popular.Would be more popular still if they added a stop at st albans

one only has to look at when thameslink were running the "express" service through the core to st albans, luton.bedford..to see just how much of a preference said commuters had for the fast trains over the slightly more pedestrian diagrams.

The Thameslink fasts in their standard timetable are first stop St Albans so stopping EMR there wouldn't give much of a speed advantage, and for many this would be outweighed by the time to change trains at St Pancras.

 

[TheBigD]

I am happy to be corrected by anyone in the know but I thought the line had been relaid a few years back so HST`s COULD run at normal line speeds? The line between Boston and Firsby is 60 mph but HST`s and loco hauled trains were reduced to 30 mph about 10 years ago before the re laying. I travelled on the line last summer on a HST and it seemed to me that it was running at the normal line speed

They've run at normal linespeed for several years now. There was a 10mph restriction over a bridge(?) at Bellwater Junction for HSTs for a while but I think that's also been lifted.

 

[NoOnesFool]

My guess for what they’ll come up with instead is : they will keep some 153’s....

Or take on cascaded Sprinters releived by Northern 195s.

 

[OTRail]

Or take on cascaded Sprinters releived by Northern 195s.

Aka 153s - they’re the only sprinters being released from the 195s

 

[MML]

I was rather hoping the Thameslink Express services would be maintained during the peak hours with stops at St Albans, Luton and Bedford, being followed a short while later by the St. Albans all stations to Bedford.
While the EMR Electrics will give an express service to St. Pancras, not everybody ends their journey there. Many wish to cross London to the city business districts of Farringdon, City, Blackfriars or London Bridge. While others venture even further.

 

[londonmidland]

Would St. Albans provide any use to EMR passengers?

Surely West Hampstead Thameslink would be more useful? With connections to Thameslink, London Overground and London Underground services.

I doubt the capacity is there to stop EMR electrics services there, though.

 

[jfowkes]

Is it known when the class 180s will start service with EMR? Apologies if it's mentioned somewhere upthread, I searched but failed to find anything.

 

[OTRail]

Is it known when the class 180s will start service with EMR? Apologies if it's mentioned somewhere upthread, I searched but failed to find anything.

Either at the May or December TT change once they’ve been refurbished I think

 

[londonmidland]

The latest ‘gen’ is that the 180s will come into service in December, replacing the Angel buffered HST sets.

Whether they will directly replace the relatively few services that they do is another question.

 

[greatvoyager]

The latest ‘gen’ is that the 180s will come into service in December, replacing the Angel buffered HST sets.

Whether they will directly replace the relatively few services that they do is another question.

Do we know if they are going to be maintained at Derby Etches Park?

 

[Ryry]

When are the ex lner hst due to arrive at emr

 

[43096]

When are the ex lner hst due to arrive at emr

By 28 July!

 

[Jozhua]

Do we know if they are going to be maintained at Derby Etches Park?

*Correction: Are they going to be continually at Derby Etches Park as they'll never work lol

 

[greatvoyager]

*Correction: Are they going to be continually at Derby Etches Park as they'll never work lol

Probably true lol.

 

[grumpyoldman01]

Can anyone tell me what the position is regarding the transfer of Greater Anglia's 156s to EMR, please?

Crossed the north end of the station (on a bus on Pride Parkway bridge) this afternoon, and there was what looked like a 156 in GA livery in platform 3

 

[Domh245]

Potential first 180 to etches park for familiarisation and training to begin?

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O77567/2020-01-07/detailed

 

[greatvoyager]

Potential first 180 to etches park for familiarisation and training to begin?

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O77567/2020-01-07/detailed

I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

 

[Aictos]

Would St. Albans provide any use to EMR passengers?

Surely West Hampstead Thameslink would be more useful? With connections to Thameslink, London Overground and London Underground services.

I doubt the capacity is there to stop EMR electrics services there, though.

Why would EMR want to stop at St Albans or West Hampstead TL?

The fast Thameslink services are a mix of non stop to St Pancras or only stop at West Hampstead TL and are at a pretty good frequency.

Anyone wanting Farringdon etc can change at St Pancras etc

 

[londonmidland]

I presume if the 180 move does run tomorrow it’ll put the rumours/uncertainty of it to bed for good?

There’s is/was still a bit of uncertainty about the use of 180s for EMR.

 

[Domh245]

There’s is/was still a bit of uncertainty about the use of 180s for EMR.

Is there? I thought the current 'best guess' of the plans is pretty much confirmed?

(and if it isn't, then what the alternative is supposed to be given the information that's available)

 

[OTRail]

There’s is/was still a bit of uncertainty about the use of 180s for EMR.

I’m pretty sure it’s been more or less confirmed - the HST’s won’t be operational post 2020 and there won’t be enough 222s available to cover all diagrams.