New trains for East Midlands Franchise

[jw]

Here is a direct link to the post with the image showing the livery.

For what it's worth, I believe it shows a Class 222, not a Class 180, alongside a Class 170 'EMR Regional' and a Class 360 'EMR Electrics'.

 

[samuelmorris]

Here is a direct link to the post with the image showing the livery.

For what it's worth, I believe it shows a Class 222, not a Class 180, alongside a Class 170 'EMR Regional' and a Class 360 'EMR Electrics'.

Yeah, the 360s will almost certainly be the 360/1s, but the 170s, I assume they're going to be the ex-WMT 170/5s ?
No evidence 180s are being used from that specific image at least.

 

[Ted172]

Thanks! Wandered what the fleet would be!

 

[class 9]

There’s seven LNER HST sets coming.

Word is that there're off to XC.

 

[TH172341]

All seven of them? Know I'd seen they were apparently keen to take on one more set. Seven would bring a massive capacity boost.

 

[LowLevel]

Yeah, the 360s will almost certainly be the 360/1s, but the 170s, I assume they're going to be the ex-WMT 170/5s ?
No evidence 180s are being used from that specific image at least.

The image is from the briefing documents for EMT union reps and managers and 180s are certainly included elsewhere. I'm not daft enough to reproduce the document but it's pretty widely available internally.

 

[Japan0913]

The image is from the briefing documents for EMT union reps and managers and 180s are certainly included elsewhere. I'm not daft enough to reproduce the document but it's pretty widely available internally.

From where is Class 180 cascaded?

 

[F Great Eastern]

From where is Class 180 cascaded?

The 4 from Hull Trains will be involved, for sure.

I wish the operational team the very best of luck in trying to deliver on the pup they've been sold by the bid managers who know theory of everything and practice of nothing.

 

[LOL The Irony]

From where is Class 180 cascaded?

Most likely Hull Trains.

 

[Japan0913]

The 4 from Hull Trains will be involved, for sure.

I wish the operational team the very best of luck in trying to deliver on the pup they've been sold by the bid managers who know theory of everything and practice of nothing.

Most likely Hull Trains.

thank you.
Hull class 180 tends to break down?
In addition, Class 180 doesn't go to Grand Central?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Hull class 180 tends to break down?

Yes, they are known for being unreliable garbage.

 

[trentside]

Yes, they are known for being unreliable garbage.

That’s insulting to unreliable garbage.

 

[trentside]

That’s insulting to unreliable garbage.

Though in fairness, from a passenger perspective I like travelling on 180s. They’d just be a lot nicer if they worked.

 

[Japan0913]

Does Grand Central need more Class 180 to start a new service to Cleethorpes?

Grimsby and Cleethorpes could get direct trains to London by 2020.
27 DEC 2017
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsby-cleethorpes-could-direct-train-966097

 

[Bletchleyite]

Though in fairness, from a passenger perspective I like travelling on 180s. They’d just be a lot nicer if they worked.

Indeed. I called them the ultimate evolution of the Mk3 when I first saw them - comfortable, traditional interior with excellent legroom - but the build quality and mechanical side of the design is atrocious. If Alstom had built them with the quality of the Pendolinos I think they would have been very much sought-after.

 

[Glenn1969]

Does Grand Central need more Class 180 to start a new service to Cleethorpes?

Grimsby and Cleethorpes could get direct trains to London by 2020.
27 DEC 2017
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsby-cleethorpes-could-direct-train-966097

Not sure these services were approved by the ORR so the 180s could well be free to be cascaded to East Midlands

 

[Japan0913]

Not sure these services were approved by the ORR so the 180s could well be free to be cascaded to East Midlands

I see. The various proposals of Grand Central have not been approved yet?
Thank you.
There is a possibility to cascade Class180 5 × 4 SETs from Hull, right?

 

[CosherB]

I see. The various proposals of Grand Central have not been approved yet?
Thank you.
There is a possibility to cascade Class180 5 × 4 SETs from Hull, right?

I think Hull Trains will ensure their 802s don’t go anywhere else, they’re desperate for them.

 

[SHFTraveller]

I can't imagine booking any further journeys on the MML if/when they get the Hull 180s. I currently avoid Hull & Grand Central over reliability. LNER tend to be cheaper than Grand Central these days too.

Current pricing levels I find LNER cheaper to Sheffield via Doncaster with little difference in journey time.

 

[cactustwirly]

I can't imagine booking any further journeys on the MML if/when they get the Hull 180s. I currently avoid Hull & Grand Central over reliability. LNER tend to be cheaper than Grand Central these days too.

Current pricing levels I find LNER cheaper to Sheffield via Doncaster with little difference in journey time.

I don't really have a choice, it's either EMT/EMR via London, or XC via Birmingham.
EMT is usually cheaper and much more pleasant, ignoring the cross London transfer.

I'll probably try and book a HST, but a 180 is preferable to a 222, if it came down to it.

 

[samuelmorris]

I think Hull Trains will ensure their 802s don’t go anywhere else, they’re desperate for them.

I assume what he's getting at is that after Hull Trains' 802s are delivered, their 180s will either be going to GC for that scheme or if not, to EMR.

 

[SHFTraveller]

I don't really have a choice, it's either EMT/EMR via London, or XC via Birmingham.
EMT is usually cheaper and much more pleasant, ignoring the cross London transfer.

I'll probably try and book a HST, but a 180 is preferable to a 222, if it came down to it.

I feel sorry for MML users between Leicester and Chesterfield, I had the unfortunate experience of standing from Tamworth back to Sheffield a few times. Awful.

All I can see happening is the 180s breaking down and then blocking the line, to cause further havoc.

 

[swt_passenger]

I assume what he's getting at is that after Hull Trains' 802s are delivered, their 180s will either be going to GC for that scheme or if not, to EMR.

I wondered if perhaps it was meant to have been “Class 180, 4 x 5 car sets”, as opposed to SETS.

 

[LowLevel]

Sounds like there's another 180 on fire between Retford and Doncaster stopping the job on the ECML now. What exactly does it take to get a fleet pulled out of service I wonder if not bi weekly burnups

 

[jw]

Much mention has been made of the Class 180s transferring to East Midlands, but are they a permanent fixture for the duration of the franchise, or a stop-gap to allow non-PRM HSTs to be withdrawn and prior to the arrival of new intercity bi-modes?

Given that they will be a particularly small microfleet, are unable to take advantage of the partial electrification, and have less than stellar reliability, I'd assume their use will only be temporary.

 

[CosherB]

Stop gap only, to replace the ex-GC HSTs. They in turn will be replaced by these yet-to-be-announced-or-proven 125mph bi-modes with Meridian performance levels.

 

[Japan0913]

Stop gap only, to replace the ex-GC HSTs. They in turn will be replaced by these yet-to-be-announced-or-proven 125mph bi-modes with Meridian performance levels.

When will the Bombardier, bi-mode monocoque be released?

 

[RealTrains07]

Has anyone got any access to the abellio document or anything to say on how many 360 units are being taken??

 

[700007]

Has anyone got any access to the abellio document or anything to say on how many 360 units are being taken??

Would obviously be all 21 units from Greater Anglia. They need 18 units during the peak so having 3 spares makes sense. The ROSCO would probably give a better value for money price for hiring the entire fleet rather than just 90% of the fleet or something like that.

 

[RealTrains07]

Would obviously be all 21 units from Greater Anglia. They need 18 units during the peak so having 3 spares makes sense. The ROSCO would probably give a better value for money price for hiring the entire fleet rather than just 90% of the fleet or something like that.

Oh right makes sense i thought the 360/1 fleet had 37 units but clearly not