Newark North Gate or Newark Northgate

[ANDYS]

Just a simple question. I went to Newark for the first time last week and now sorting my photos for Flickr. One question, how is the station name supposed to be written? Signs on the station say Newark Northgate but timetables / maps etc say Newark North Gate.

Thanks in advance, Andy

 

[Ken H]

According to Street map the road in Newark is North Gate.

But the Station is on Lincoln Street/Appleton Gate....

 

[HughT]

According to the official dataset:

National Public Transport Access Nodes (NaPTAN)

the name is "Newark North Gate Rail Station"

Source: https://data.gov.uk/dataset/ff93ffc...national-public-transport-access-nodes-naptan

Whether NR or any individual TOC choose to conform to the official name is a different matter... (Bus operators certainly don't when it comes to naming bus stops in their timetables!)

 

[pdeaves]

National Rail Enquiries uses three words, too: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/NNG/details.html

 

[ANDYS]

Thanks all. Newark North Gate it will be.

Andy S

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Signage at the station seems to be predominantly "Newark Northgate".

Not the first time though that the railway has tweaked a station name / locality name for its own purposes.

 

[Ken H]

This roadsign, presumably erected by the council, has 'Northgate Station'

(Link to google streetview of roadsign on Lincoln Road Bridge)

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

goo.gl

But this street sign says 'North Gate'
(Google streetview of sign saying 'North Gate')

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

goo.gl

 

[YorksLad12]

Signage at the station seems to be predominantly "Newark Northgate".

Not the first time though that the railway has tweaked a station name / locality name for its own purposes.

I'd go with Newark North Gate as well; it probably depends on how quickly the person replied when the signwriter asked for the name! You have reminded me, however, of one local station that said Crossgates on one platform and Cross Gates on the other...

 

[pdeaves]

Situations like North Gate/Northgate and Cross Gates/Crossgates make an interesting discussion over what constitutes the 'official' name and whether such a thing even exists.

 

[DarloRich]

Just tag with both options. Easier than worrying over what is "correct"

 

[Merthyr Imp]

This is what it was being called at the time of the last World Cup:

 

[mailbyrail]

Gate is the Viking word for Street and many towns in the East Midlands have roads called xxx Gate
Newark has a main road heading towards the station called North Gate which is effectively North Road.
The station didn't acquire the suffix until 1950 - the 1956 Stations handbook shows it as two words.

That indicates North Gate is two separate words

 

[Western Sunset]

Derby (Friargate) was just the one suffix.

Early BR timetables had it as Newark (North Gate).

 

[mailbyrail]

But the 1956 Stations handbook shows it as two words as well - Friar Gate

But Gloucester, not in a Viking area, was always one word Eastgate

A fascinating little question from ANDYS!

 

[edwin_m]

Gate is the Viking word for Street and many towns in the East Midlands have roads called xxx Gate
Newark has a main road heading towards the station called North Gate which is effectively North Road.

Strangely enough Newark also has the Great North Road, which is much closer to going north than North Gate is. It goes across the level crossing at Castle station.

 

[The Quincunx]

The Station Access Annexes (available on the ORR Public Register) confirm that the station's name is three words.

 

[LowLevel]

I don't think anything confirms anything as you'll always find one source contradicting another with this one - it's an age old thing

 

[Ken H]

Gate is the Viking word for Street and many towns in the East Midlands have roads called xxx Gate
Newark has a main road heading towards the station called North Gate which is effectively North Road.
The station didn't acquire the suffix until 1950 - the 1956 Stations handbook shows it as two words.

That indicates North Gate is two separate words

Ah. so when the railways were nationalised towns with 2 stations had suffixes added to differentiate?

I assume Newark stations were Newark (LM) and Newark(LNER) before?

 

[ANDYS]

What a can of worms I set off. Thanks for all the answers and info. Andy S

 

[SargeNpton]

The official name is Newark North Gate, but that's not to say that you won't find the alternative used in some rail industry places (in one instance I have seen both used on the same web page).

 

[Ken H]

1964 Eastern region working timetable map has Newark North Gate

Link to the map image - https://britishrailwaybooks.co.uk/wtt/images/eastern/br31239-1-a-150664map.jpg

 

[LowLevel]

Ah. so when the railways were nationalised towns with 2 stations had suffixes added to differentiate?

I assume Newark stations were Newark (LM) and Newark(LNER) before?

They would have been referred to as Newark LMS or Midland station or Newark LNER or GNR station externally. Newark Castle signalbox (now closed) to this day still has "NEWARK" on it's name board without further suffix despite having been officially called Newark Castle signalbox for many years.

 

[Ken H]

new thread to discuss suffixes added at grouping or nationalisation across the network - https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...-names-on-grouping-or-nationalisation.207573/

 

[norbitonflyer]

What does the station signage say?

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/09/51/1095160_2ebdc9ca.jpg

....oh

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/03/59/14/3591422_b1c17bc1.jpg

https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/600x600/C91Pk3MoyfMoJMSwVnACTx4tKN40NhG2tVjq61g4_2g.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/UK_Newark_North_Gate_Train_Station.jpg

 

[Mcr Warrior]

This November 2007 pic has both variants next to one another...

 

[BrettSy96]

Just a simple question. I went to Newark for the first time last week and now sorting my photos for Flickr. One question, how is the station name supposed to be written? Signs on the station say Newark Northgate but timetables / maps etc say Newark North Gate.

Thanks in advance, Andy

Are they okay there with spotters? Been thinking about going to station on the ECML but It’s abit of a journey to get there to find out that they don’t allow spotters

 

[Crossover]

Are they okay there with spotters? Been thinking about going to station on the ECML but It’s abit of a journey to get there to find out that they don’t allow spotters

From previous visits (to use the station, I should add), it is unbarriered so you'll presumably have no issue getting onto the platforms at least!

 

[2L70]

Let them know, they'll be fine, Just don't go anywhere that you could be a danger to yourself. They've had some nasty incidents with suicidal people there before.

Locals call Newark Castle station "Castlegate", which is confusing but it's actually a street near that station.

 

[55002]

From previous visits (to use the station, I should add), it is unbarriered so you'll presumably have no issue getting onto the platforms at least!

you’ll be fine, good group Of people work there.

 

[BrettSy96]

From previous visits (to use the station, I should add), it is unbarriered so you'll presumably have no issue getting onto the platforms at least!

Great! Thanks for letting me know!