Next Labour Leader

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  1. Bald Rick

    Bald Rick Established Member

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    Current odds on a certain online peer to peer bookmaker are (roughly):

    Starmer 4/1
    RLB 9/2
    Phillips 8/1
    Rayner 8/1
    Nandy 9/1
    The rest are 20/1 or higher.

    Burgon is 40/1, in whom I have invested a couple of quid as he will almost certainly stand, and probably get through to the final few. And then who knows.

    There’s a couple of spurious ones in there too, Bercow and Valerie Vaz both at 3/1, but that is a punter chancing their arm on the odds.
     
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    I think Starmer would be wrong. The fact that he has been a vocal Remainer will be brought up against him at the next election.

    Jess Phillips is likeable but it's not a great list of names, is it ? This realisation may dawn on those who wanted to see the back of Corbyn before this election ... and all those who jumped ship who might have been in with a shout. [The career of Chucka Umunna should serve as a case study in a politics degree - his time to be leader came and then he bottled it and returned to obscurity].
     
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    Given that the Lib Dems increased their vote share in pretty much every region of the UK and the Labour party reduced it's vote share everywhere, the next candidate needs to be centerist
     
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    And they're way too left wing to ever be elected either!
     
  5. Bald Rick

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    Interesting that no one has mentioned Sadiq Khan yet.

    Given that he is a shoe-in to be re-elected Mayor of London next year, my theory is that Labour will elect another Momentum candidate, lose the next General Election handsomely (in which Khan would stand as an MP) and Khan will become leader then. Gives him a few years to do the political manoevouring necessary. can see
     
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    Is Khan absolutely a shoe-in? This is a genuine question as I’d have assumed same, however speaking to people in London a number of people have said they think he is going to struggle, there being an increasing sense that he’s ineffective.

    Khan would never be popular outside London - it would be another disaster.

    But I agree it’s a name which would very well appear - he’d love the chance to go for it I think.
     
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    Jess Phillips is likeable, I agree, but I think only because she's able to say what she really thinks and comes across as honest as a result. Even a minor Shadow Cabinet position might destroy this, making her toe the party line with which currently she clearly disagrees on occasions. The danger is that she might not realise this until it's too late, like Chris Mullin did many years ago when he found that he was far less effective as a junior minister (admittedly Labour was in power then) than as a backbencher, and being a chairman of an important committee (Home Affairs Select Committee) was something he felt much more important and significant.

    I just feel that any official post, let alone leader of the party, would go against all that is currently good and positive with Jess Phillips and the moment she becomes perceived as quoting a party line as opposed to her genuine position would destroy her credibility. However I can't know that, and it could be that having her as party leader would be very positive.
     
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    A genuine question (and one that’ll possibly produce a few fruity answers ;)), but why is John McDonnell never mentioned for the post of leader?
    (I’m definitely NOT saying I want him to be!)
     
  9. TheBigD

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    He's already rule it out, even as a temporary role.
     
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    Feel free to offer your own candidates
     
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    He wants to be the kingmaker not the king
     
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    From The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tory-seats-in-the-north-election-live-updates.

    "(John McDonnell) was seen by some as a possible interim leader, but – as a key figure in Labour’s shift towards supporting a second referendum – he has also faced criticism as one of the masterminds behind the party’s election campaign."
    He has, however, stated that he's going to leave the shadow cabinet.
     
  13. TheBigD

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    That's where I struggle. I look at the current crop of Labour MPs and no one looks like they are leadership material. If Labour want to be a government, and not a party of protest, then they need more talented MPs than they are currently attracting. Labour have lost a lot of talent in the last few years, and that needs to be rectified. The country needs a strong opposition to hold the government to account.

    The next leader will have to do the hard graft of getting rid of the Momentum mob like Kinnock had to do with the militant tendency (and the forthcoming EHRC report should help with that), ditching the politics of grievance, the cancer of identity politics, and then having credible policies and vision to appeal to a broad section of society, not just the party faithful.

    I don't see the next leader as being Prime Minister either. That will be someone who is yet to be a Labour MP in my opinion.

    I'm aware I've not put forward any names of my own, purely because I don't see a suitable current Labour MP that has what it will take to address the issues that are facing Labour. Whilst I like people like Dan Jarvis he isn't going to be elected by the current membership.
     
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    I think Labour would get slaughtered in PR terms if they had yet another male leader.
     
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    Of course there’s been two female party leaders (one blue one orange) in recent memory who have been resounding success stories...

    I really object to the idea that a female leader should be chosen simply because of that. Best candidate for job does it for me, female or male.

    Labour has a far bigger problem than what sex the leader is. For starters there’s actually accepting the election result, and it seems the momentum types are currently in sheer denial about that. Every time we see or read on social media some hippy youngster denigrating the result as “disgusting” or bleating on about how “if we all pull together it can be reversed” that’s a further drop down the slope to oblivion (IMO).
     
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    I cant disagree with any of that! I think it could be a two term job to sort out the mess the labour party has to come. A new leader has to come in and clean out the stable and start the journey back to respectability. That is going to be a tough fight as the neo militant entryist types are much more deeply embedded this time around. The fight HAS to be won if labour are to have a chance
     
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    The important thing is to rebuild the Scottish Labour vote, without it Labour are finished
     
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    And that's part of the problem. The next leader's sex should be irrelevant, but thanks to identity politics it is deemed to be more important than actual skills and ability.

    [Joking] Now that labour has more female MPs than male MPs, I wonder if they'll bring in all male shortlists to address this lack of underrepresentation [joking]
     
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    Burgon. BURGON??????? FFS. the man is thick as mince and less appealing
     
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    Totally agree. However he ticks all the momentum boxes.
     
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    But even they must see how dense the man is!
     
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    I agree.
    Thinking back over the years, on how many occasions has there been a 'leader in waiting?' perhaps we think that there should be purely because of Blair/Brown. The media always like to build up an individual into this role, but doesn't always work out when the vacancy actually arises. (thinking of all main parties here....of course, someone like Farage would just appoint himself!)
     
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    I can't see that happening, Labour are pretty much a dead duck as far as Scotland is concerned, they should focus on reclaiming their northern heartlands which will be hard for the Tories to keep come the next election rather than pointlessly trying to rebuild in Scotland.
     
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    She still thinks Labour won the election with a 250,000 seat majority... :lol:
     
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    Long-Bailey is just as dense! Apparently Burgon plans to stand as deputy leader rather than leader. There’s the Tory dream right there; that pair of incompetents sat opposite them in the Commons.
     
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    But Labour can't win without Scotland
     
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    Quite frankly, it’s not about winning for Labour right now, or at least it shouldn’t be. The best they can do is to try and make the Tories feel as uncomfortable as possible, and winning back their heartlands will go a considerable way towards doing that.
     
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    I mean the Tories pretty much just have (only 6 Scottish seats) so yes they can the theoretically, but they wouldn't be able to get enough seats in the south.

    If Labour were to get in to power then i suspect it would be through a coalition with the SNP, which would likely include allowing a Independence vote.
     

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