No tickets for journeys

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Inspired by these two posts in the Do rail fares need to be made simpler? thread. I was wondering what direct journeys between pairs of stations people know of for which no tickets of any kind are available.

Train fares are actually pretty simple when you think about it. You can buy tickets to/from any pair of stations in GB and even abroad from certain stations. ?

Actually, you cannot. Try Eccles to Wilmslow for example.

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[gazthomas]

Inspired by these two posts in the Do rail fares need to be made simpler? thread. I was wondering what direct journeys between pairs of stations people know of for which no tickets of any kind are available.


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Eccles (Manchester) [ECC] to Wilmslow [WML] tickets come up fine online

 

[yorkie]

Eccles (Manchester) [ECC] to Wilmslow [WML] tickets come up fine online

Are you sure?

What are the fares?

Can you provide a screenshot and hyperlink please?

The only websites I know of that will sell valid fares for this journey are sites that sell a combination of fares for one journey, such as Trainsplit.com

 

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Eccles (Manchester) [ECC] to Wilmslow [WML] tickets come up fine online

Neither Northern or brfares come up with any for this journey

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[maffi209]

Always been a bit baffled as to why National Rail Enquiries gives a £74 Coast and Peaks rover as the fare between Sankey (SNK) and Salford Central (SFD). I assume there is an actual single fare available?

 

[gazthomas]

Are you sure?

What are the fares?

Can you provide a screenshot and hyperlink please?

The only websites I know of that will sell valid fares for this journey are sites that sell a combination of fares for one journey, such as Trainsplit.com

Apologies - it came up on the National Rail website, giving a rather steep £23 single, but when I clicked through to buy (it chose EMT) it said not available. My bad!

 

[ainsworth74]

It'll be offering a split or a rover most likely.

 

[CarltonA]

I don't think Ash Vale to North Camp is available and a few other illogical combinations are unlikely as they are on different lines but only a short walk apart.

 

[gazthomas]

I guess this will be split tickets?

Loco2 appear to be offering a single off-peak ticket for £7.10.

 

[Paul Kelly]

Brigg to Meadowhall - another one that Northern have known about for years and deliberately chosen to not bother "fixing": http://www.fixmytransport.com/problems/3635

Theobalds Grove to Tottenham Hale. On parallel lines but nonetheless a logical journey with one change at Cheshunt.

 

[yorkie]

I guess this will be split tickets?

Yes, that site is offering a combination of fares for this journey.

Can you resize the image to make it a bit smaller please? It is a bit on the large size! Thanks

Also, we are committed to ensuring this forum is accessible as possible; we do therefore ask for a text alternative to be provided (I know our blind members very much appreciate this; they are unable to read text embedded in images).

In the case of the screenshot you provided, this is offering an Anytime Day Single (SDS) from Eccles to Manchester, and an Advance Single valid on the specified Northern Rail service only for £4.00.

I would advise against such a combination, when for just a few pence more, walk-up fares are available (Trainsplit offers a combination of Eccles to Cheadle Hulme, followed by Cheadle Hulme to Wilmslow).

 

[gazthomas]

Yes, that site is offering a combination of fares for this journey.

Can you resize the image to make it a bit smaller please?

Thanks for the advice, will do.

 

[sheff1]

Always been a bit baffled as to why National Rail Enquiries gives a £74 Coast and Peaks rover as the fare between Sankey (SNK) and Salford Central (SFD). I assume there is an actual single fare available?

There are no fares (single or return) priced between those two stations.

 

[MikeWh]

Theobalds Grove to Tottenham Hale. On parallel lines but nonetheless a logical journey with one change at Cheshunt.

Fortunately, that one can be done on Oyster now.

 

[Hadders]

No fares from Stevenage to Theobalds Grove.

 

[londonbridge]

I don't think Ash Vale to North Camp is available and a few other illogical combinations are unlikely as they are on different lines but only a short walk apart.

Using a local example I can't think of any logical reason why someone would take a train from Wallington to Carshalton, yet there is a fare available.

 

[greatkingrat]

Using a local example I can't think of any logical reason why someone would take a train from Wallington to Carshalton, yet there is a fare available.

In the case of London all fares are priced zonally, so I would expect every combination of stations to have a fare available.

 

[Paul Kelly]

In the case of London all fares are priced zonally, so I would expect every combination of stations to have a fare available.

They don't; there are lots on the Lea Valley lines - Rectory Road to Tottenham Hale, to give another example.

 

[pemma]

Neither Northern or brfares come up with any for this journey

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You can buy Eccles to Alderley Edge though so it's strange you can't buy a ticket to Wilmslow.

In the reverse direction you can buy Wilmslow to Eccles Metrolink but as with any journey involving Metrolink you can buy from a National Rail station to a Metrolink stop but not vice versa. So tickets like Eccles Metrolink to Wilmslow, Old Trafford Metrolink to Chester or MediaCity Metrolink to Huddersfield can't be sold even if you turn up a railway station booking office

 

[pemma]

I would advise against such a combination, when for just a few pence more, walk-up fares are available (Trainsplit offers a combination of Eccles to Cheadle Hulme, followed by Cheadle Hulme to Wilmslow).

If making a return journey on a weekday after 09:30 I'd advise against that.

Eccles to Cheadle Hulme Off-Peak Return £5.90 - ND restriction
Cheadle Hulme to Wilmslow Off-Peak Return £3.50 - ND restriction

Eccles to Alderley Edge Off-Peak Return £9.40 - B1 restriction

So it's the same price to buy to Alderley Edge and no need to worry about the afternoon peak restriction when making your return journey.

 

[pemma]

Apologies - it came up on the National Rail website, giving a rather steep £23 single, but when I clicked through to buy (it chose EMT) it said not available. My bad!

In the absence of single/return tickets NR advises you to buy the cheapest ranger/rover ticket valid for your journey so in the case of Eccles to Wilmslow it's this one: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/prbad90d0a040002016445fab7d9d950.aspx

 

[Bletchleyite]

I would advise against such a combination, when for just a few pence more, walk-up fares are available (Trainsplit offers a combination of Eccles to Cheadle Hulme, followed by Cheadle Hulme to Wilmslow).

The way Loco2 works is based more around mainland Europe where typically (in Romance countries) a ticket is needed each time you change and all IC tickets are train specific and all regional ones walk-up. So when it sees that kind of split as the cheapest it has no real reason to ignore it. UK domestic journeys aren't its raison d'etre, so it tends to be a bit clunky when it encounters them.

 

[gnolife]

In the absence of single/return tickets NR advises you to buy the cheapest ranger/rover ticket valid for your journey so in the case of Eccles to Wilmslow it's this one: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/prbad90d0a040002016445fab7d9d950.aspx

It's not even picking the right ranger! The cheapest is a TfGM Wayfarer at somewhere around the £12-13 region (I forget exactly what they're charging at this point, but it's a damn sight cheaper than a Cheshire Day Ranger!)

 

[Bletchleyite]

It's not even picking the right ranger! The cheapest is a TfGM Wayfarer at somewhere around the £12-13 region (I forget exactly what they're charging at this point, but it's a damn sight cheaper than a Cheshire Day Ranger!)

Wayfarers aren't available for purchase online, being a local (PTE) fare, so aren't in the database.

 

[Clip]

The only websites I know of that will sell valid fares for this journey are sites that sell a combination of fares for one journey, such as Trainsplit.com

Well the op didn't specifically state that a combination of fares was not valid

Inspired by these two posts in the Do rail fares need to be made simpler? thread. I was wondering what direct journeys between pairs of stations people know of for which no tickets of any kind are available.

And as we know a combination of fares are perfectly legal for a journey

 

[lyndhurst25]

In Yorkshire various Hallam Line to Wakefield Line fares don't exist e.g. Chapeltown to Fitzwilliam, Barnsley to South Elmsall.

 

[[.n]]

No fares for Dorchester West - Dorchester South

 

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From this thread it seems like Northern are one of the worst culprits for missing fares

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[A Challenge]

No fares for Dorchester West - Dorchester South

I think that is because tickets are to Dorchester Stations. There's also none for Manchester Piccadilly or Manchester Oxford Road to Manchester Victoria.

Another one I know came up in a thread somewhere was Frodsham to Runcorn

 

[Deerfold]

If making a return journey on a weekday after 09:30 I'd advise against that.

Eccles to Cheadle Hulme Off-Peak Return £5.90 - ND restriction
Cheadle Hulme to Wilmslow Off-Peak Return £3.50 - ND restriction

Eccles to Alderley Edge Off-Peak Return £9.40 - B1 restriction

So it's the same price to buy to Alderley Edge and no need to worry about the afternoon peak restriction when making your return journey.

Though if you aren't travelling in the afternoon peak a Day Ranger at £6.40 would do nicely.