Non Multi stickered trains.

[323 Class]

I was in Manchester Piccadilly yesterday and my attention was drawn to a yellow sign in the cab window. It was about A4 size with a cross running corner to corner with the words NON MULTI.
Can anyone explain this?
Incidentally this train 323231 is the unit that had the collision with a car on the track whilst doing Stoke to Manchester some years ago.

 

[swt_passenger]

It can’t be used in multiple, possibly at that end only, due to a coupling or electrical fault. Fairly self explanatory, I’d have thought, and it’s placed exactly where a driver of another unit can’t miss it.

 

[323 Class]

Thanks.
Not seen it before but thought it best to float it on the forum rather than make an assumption.

 

[Tempest3K]

GC180's used to regularly have them in the window (haven't seen many recently so not sure it's still the case)

 

[Highlandspring]

I work with the man who came up with the idea; he got an award and hefty ex gratia payment for it.

 

[hexagon789]

I could be wrong, but I think I've seen "Multi Only" as well?

 

[43096]

I could be wrong, but I think I've seen "Multi Only" as well?

Indeed. Units can have to run with a cab “boxed in” due to cab defects such as GSM-R, TPWS etc.

 

[hexagon789]

Indeed. Units can have to run with a cab “boxed in” due to cab defects such as GSM-R, TPWS etc.

So not just if it's an EMU with a motor or motors out then?

That's what came to mind at first, I think I saw such a sign on a 314 possibly.

 

[_toommm_]

A couple of the 185s had them when they had their lights upgraded to the new LEDs - something to do with interference with the TMS i believe? Unsure as to whether they still have them or not....

 

[Highlandspring]

So not just if it's an EMU with a motor or motors out then?

That's what came to mind at first, I think I saw such a sign on a 314 possibly.

ScotRail don't use Multi-only stickers, the restriction is just applied in Genius. Don't know about other TOCs though.

 

[Fleetwood Boy]

ScotRail don't use Multi-only stickers, the restriction is just applied in Genius. Don't know about other TOCs though.

Must be relatively recently then. I’m casting my mind back and thinking I last saw one on a ScR unit about a year ago?

 

[jamesst]

My toc classes multi only units as non split and will put a label on the drivers desk in the buried cabs as such

 

[Highlandspring]

Must be relatively recently then. I’m casting my mind back and thinking I last saw one on a ScR unit about a year ago?

Sure it wasn't a Non-multi sticker...?

 

[chuff chuff]

Sure it wasn't a Non-multi sticker...?

In thirty odd years I've never heard of never mind seen a multi only on scotrail.

 

[Highlandspring]

In thirty odd years I've never heard of never mind seen a multi only on scotrail.

Indeed... What would be the point of it?

 

[hexagon789]

ScotRail don't use Multi-only stickers, the restriction is just applied in Genius. Don't know about other TOCs though.

Must've been another TOC then.

 

[Deepgreen]

Thanks.
Not seen it before but thought it best to float it on the forum rather than make an assumption.

Quite right. Don't be put off by some of the more curt members here! It never hurts to seek confirmation of initial thoughts.

 

[43096]

Indeed... What would be the point of it?

Can see why it might happen on the 318/320/334 fleets as some diagrams run paired all day. The point of it is to stop such units being split.

 

[Ih8earlies]

ScotRail don't use Multi-only stickers, the restriction is just applied in Genius. Don't know about other TOCs though.

TPE stopped using them for a while as well and had a virtual system in place.

But after more than a few incidents where coupling up went wrong they brought the labels back in again.

 

[hexagon789]

I found the photo, and it reads "NON X MULTI", not MULTI ONLY.

 

[Ianno87]

Indeed. Units can have to run with a cab “boxed in” due to cab defects such as GSM-R, TPWS etc.

Shattered windows, broken heating, etc. too.

 

[aleggatta]

Shattered windows, broken heating, etc. too.

Also traction faults and even (not quite sure how it happened) a unit being released multi only due to compressor failure (a 377, one compressor per unit) don't know how my old supervisor got away with that one!