Probably something to do with the funny windscreens on the 385s.
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Probably something to do with the funny windscreens on the 385s.
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More to do with the hst’s not been introduced on time i believe the introduction of the class 365’s has pretty much sorted the cascade of dmu’s from the glasgow edinburgh services.
170476 was out in service on Saturday I traveled on it on the 14:08 York to Leeds but was declared a failure at Harrogate due to faulty aircon. It ran empty from Harrogate to Leeds and presumably onto Neville Hill. 150131 then picked up its diagram from Leeds.
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Northerns 'refurbishment' dosent seem to include anything mechanical. Purely cosmetic.
I hear the 170's may go on the Nottingham route rather than leeds Southport so they can stretch there legs a bit. The Harrogate line has a 65mph limit so with the 170 gear change point also being 65 they don't get out of 1st gear. Can't be good for fuel consumption or reliability. Perhaps they need regearing to suit Northerns slow network.
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Well that would be interesting as the Nottingham route will be a Connect route and the intention so far doesn't seem to be to put 170's on Connect Services.
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Does anybody know how many will be running upon the Harrogate Line eventually once Northern have received them all?
I don't believe so.
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The downside of not having any "emergency" hoppers like in a 158, I say downside but perhaps there will be more effort made into ensuring that the air-conditioning works than in the 158, as they have a get out clause in the form of the hoppers.
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In the current timetable which is valid till May 19 off peak, once all the Class 170s are with Northern it’ll be 5. But peak time could see 6/7 in use.
When it goes 4tph on the loop
Leeds-York- 3x Class 170
Leeds-Knas 2x Class 170
Leeds-Harrogate 3x Class 170!
7 off peak
Peak- I’m not too sure possibly rise to 8 units
AverageTD
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I'm travelling on the Harrogate loop on Friday 27th and Saturday 28th July. Does anyone the 170 diagrams for this day.
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Both Leeds-Knaresborough diagrams are booked 170s (xx:59 from Leeds) although this changes at peak times as well as one of the Leeds-York diagrams which leaves Leeds at 0929, 1229, 1529 and 1829
superkev
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Perhaps now that the Scottish Golf has finished and the Edinburgh Glasgow electrics are in use the 12 outstanding 170's will be heading south soon.
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Are any paths in the timetable for the moves?
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Are the 170's still going on the Southport - Leeds ?
There was talk of getting trained on them in September but it's now all gone quiet.
I'm a Driver and find the 150's very uncomfortable and looking forwards to getting some much better traction on some of my routes.
Especially the 170's, and the new trains, when they arrive next year. I think the cabs will be much more ergonomic than a 14X or 15X. It is very much needed and much deserved after putting up with the scrap for so long.
There was talk of getting trained on them in September but it's now all gone quiet.
I'm a Driver and find the 150's very uncomfortable and looking forwards to getting some much better traction on some of my routes.
Especially the 170's, and the new trains, when they arrive next year. I think the cabs will be much more ergonomic than a 14X or 15X. It is very much needed and much deserved after putting up with the scrap for so long.
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I've just read that 170s are banned on the Calder Valley line, which is why we never saw a TPE one on diversions. Surely Northern must have done their homework. Does "banned" just mean "never been gauged"?
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PHILIPE
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Probably never been gauged. Gauging is done now for routes a particular class is planned to work over but it can always be done in retrospect if a requirement arises to travel over other routes
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These 170s are not a bad place to spend a shift. Just ask a fitter to show you how to reset the temperamental cab air con! When it's working it's great when it's not it's a greenhouse. Its easy to fix though. Hope you enjoy our old units I certainly liked them.
DanNCL
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Does anyone know what's happening with the pair of 170s that have been at Heaton for nearly 2 weeks? They're in debranded ScotRail livery, so I assume that they are for Northern?
Yes they are. I'm not sure why they're at Heaton, though.
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They had some problem while on there way from Edinburgh to Neville hill so finished up at Heaton. Of the other 4 recent arrivals 2 are at Holbeck and 2 whent straight to crew for redecoration.
As for the proposed use along the Calder valley I suspect the problem is weasel hill tunnel between Hebden bridge and Todmorden which is full of steelwork having had structural problems since it was built.
At least use on the Nottingams will allow them to get out of 1st gear (65mpg) which dosent happen on the Harrogate line or indeed on many of Northern s dmu routes.
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Beacon Hill Tunnel is just on the Bradford side of Halifax. The four tunnels between Hebden Bridge and Todmorden are Weasel Hall, Horsfall, Castle Hill and Millwood. Horsfall had structural problems and was extensively rebuilt around 20 years ago, as you can see at the western end, but the rebuild was done with adequate clearances, so I'm told. So I'm not sure which tunnel you're referring to.
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superkev
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Sorry didn't mean beacon hill. I think it's weasel hill tunnel.
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Kite159
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Putting the 170s on the more long distance services towards Nottingham would make sense than having them on stoppers (mainly for fuel economy).
The Nottingham services will be getting brand new 195s next year. Despite that I'm not sure why the Harrogate Line was chosen for 170s, the only reason I can think of is some of the senior Northern managers wanted decent trains on their local line without taking the piss and putting the brand new stock on it with it not being a 'regional express' style line.
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Really the 170s would be better suited (performance-wise) to some of the Connect routes that are going to get 195s. The 170 likes to "stretch its legs" in top gear, whereas the 195 has a ZF mechanical transmission, like the 172, so should be equally at home on slow/hilly lines.
I'd day that would be the case. TPE put 170s mainly on Hull workings which were / are always terminated at Leeds during engineering work.
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I've heard that 170's have Structure Gauging Issues on the Calder Valley line. When the structure gauging work was carried out, it was found there were clearance issues.
I wonder if Northern is still going to press on with trying to get the 170's on this route or will they just use them elsewhere instead ?
I can see the Leeds - Southport ending up with 158's. Getting 170's passed on the route will be too expensive, and I can't see 195's going on this service.
I wonder if Northern is still going to press on with trying to get the 170's on this route or will they just use them elsewhere instead ?
I can see the Leeds - Southport ending up with 158's. Getting 170's passed on the route will be too expensive, and I can't see 195's going on this service.
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Which part of a 170 is out of gauge, and where? It could be just one tunnel. I live on the Calder Valley line and would like to see 170s but have to admit they would be better on Leeds - Nottingham or Leeds - Lincoln. However, both of these are Northern Connect routes, for which the plan is "90% new trains".
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