All the DIs need a significant amount of road learning (varies but generally Crewe-Carnforth and several depots and off-routes) as well as the full traction course themselves, before they can do any courses including the practical handling, with the hundreds of drivers they will be training.
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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates
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Bletchleyite
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This:
which Northern keep spouting, while technically factual, is wilfully misleading. I hope the ASA ban their advertisement if it contains that line.
It should really say Barrow or Windermere. Of course, personally I would favour "and" by way of an hourly portion worked service.
This is in the process of getting done. Lime St and Wigan men more advanced than the Manchester men
I may be being dim, but why March? (As opposed to on timetable change day in May).
Because the 2x185's go back to TPE then. The 195's are to replace them. Massive headache fleet wise if they're not in service by then.
anamyd
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Rather confusing photo of 15x in that article, wonder why they used that...?
Training hasn't started for Wigan depot. We're having bets as to whether the 769 or 195 training will start first
No, sorry, I should have been more specific. I understand that that is what's planned. What I meant was why do the 185s go back then and not in May when the TT changes?
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A one car 195 or 331 is stabled at the New CAF factory in Newport.
Because TPE want them back
Greybeard33
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I believe the 185 handovers from/to TPE normally take place at Manchester Airport, to form the 0542 departure to Preston and following the 2335 arrival from Preston. When 195s take over these diagrams under the current timetable, will there have to be ECS workings between Newton Heath or Allerton and the Airport?
It's quite likely. Although I suppose it's possible for the 331s to work a Liverpool to Blackpool in each direction to swap over. I've also heard the one of the early Preston to Barrows in a morning will be started back from Wigan with the 195 coming empty from Allerton although this may be December.
It's quite likely. Although I suppose it's possible for the 331s to work a Liverpool to Blackpool in each direction to swap over. I've also heard the one of the early Preston to Barrows in a morning will be started back from Wigan with the 195 coming empty from Allerton/Liverpool after working Liverpool to Man Airport previous day although this may be December.
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Production has started at CAF Llanwern...? If so I'm very underwhelmed by the lack of articles or press releases saying anything to the effect of "the new CAF factory in South Wales has now opened and product builds have started" :-/
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Is only a half unit outside maybe it’s a staff training for factory assembly workers. Only time will tell as it might appear in Welsh news that if production has started
Defiance149
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A number of bodyshells have arrived at Newport in recent weeks via Portbury.
Philip
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Are the 195s going to be route-cleared on the Bolton and Chorley lines? If so are there any booked 195 passenger workings planned through Bolton?
I'd expect them to be as they are more or less the same as a 331 which will be on Man Apt - Blackpool workings. Regular 195s will depend on which route the Manchester - Cumbria services will take.
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The Random Unit Generator will probably cause us to see 195's on a few Airport - Blackpool services.
Bletchleyite
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The Random Unit Generator is going to cause them some trouble when they no longer have a fleet of DMUs that can't all work together.
Driver instructor training at Victoria has recently started so its a move in the right direction at least.
I am wondering if the new fleet will have some kind of adaptor stored on board so at least what ever is behind i can push or pull it out of the way if needs be, we will see.
I am wondering if the new fleet will have some kind of adaptor stored on board so at least what ever is behind i can push or pull it out of the way if needs be, we will see.
Adaptor couplings are pretty much in the "forgotten relics" bin.
Even so, and even though they have been touted/marketed as very similar, 195s and 331s can't even couple with each other other than mechanically (max 5mph to clear the line, no brake continuity available). They aren't electrically compatible with each other in any way.
There will be some pretty spectacular job-stopping failures if these units have problems.
Even so, and even though they have been touted/marketed as very similar, 195s and 331s can't even couple with each other other than mechanically (max 5mph to clear the line, no brake continuity available). They aren't electrically compatible with each other in any way.
There will be some pretty spectacular job-stopping failures if these units have problems.
samuelmorris
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That seems really bizarre given they were explicitly chosen for commonality purposes - I know that's from a maintenance point of view, but I just don't see any reason to design that functionality out.
It is likely that the main intent in the commonality was for training and parts, not operational convenience, despite the comments like "the only difference in the cab is that the engine start button is the pan up button" which is nonsense.
superkev
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The 321 and 322 units used on the Aire Valley are actually worse if there's a failure as they have different couplings to a 333. I believe there is some sort of emergency coupling bar so a failed unit can be dragged or pushed after its brakes are deactivated. Presumably a 331 could at least mechanically couple to a 333.
K
333 won’t be able to mechanically couple to a 331. 333s are Scharfenberg Type 10s, 331s are Dellner 12s.
superkev
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Interesting. I always thought Scharfenberg and Dellner were mechanically comparable. They do look similar. Live and learn.
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It appears a fully finished set has arrived at Newport, came via Germany so presumably ex Velim.
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