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Prob two 3 cars. Was going fast.
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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates
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There was a 3-car unit leaving Nottingham this morning (5Z52 I think). For a fleeting happy moment I thought I'd be getting on it to work, but the Leeds service was a sprinter as usual.
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Prob been reported on here already, but the PIS just announced this 195 is longer than Preston station.
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sorry, what?
The 195s sometimes make an announcement that the train is longer than the platform, and to check which doors will be openable. It also has a habit of doing it at stations where it isn't needed...
Yes, this happened at one of the Airport line stations in the first week of operation.
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Are the 195s working better now? Fewer reports on here of door problems or is it just that we've stopped mentioning them on here?
It did this when we passed Mauldeth Road (southbound) on a 3 carriage train the other day. Cue (unnecessary) mass panic on an already busy train!
Cancellations due to 'a problem with the doors', or 'a problem at the depot', do seem to be very much reduced compared to the recent past.
Caught this from Piccadilly to Oxford Rd on its return. My first 195 trip! Similarly wedged. Abandoned ship at Oxford Rd and caught the following 319 to Liverpool with plenty of space.
On the 195, the "door not in use" light came on between Picc and Oxford Rd. Luckily this went out when the door open buttons were activated as getting down to the next door was nigh-on impossible.
I used over from Oxenholme to Kendal. The "door not in service" light came on to doors as the train pulled into Kendal. I thought that was just indicating which side of the train wasn't platform facing.
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A 195 was parked up in Wigan NW P3 this morning.
The passengers on the full and standing single Pacer on the 0936 Liverpool-Blackpool (normally a 319) were not impressed.
They would have been even more irritated if they had known a 331 was following them on an Edge Hill-Preston ECS run.
To rub salt into the wound, the next northbound train was the Manchester-Barrow 195.
This is normally turned slow line at Balshaw Lane to follow the Blackpool 319, but it sailed past on the fast for an earlier arrival at Preston.
The passengers on the full and standing single Pacer on the 0936 Liverpool-Blackpool (normally a 319) were not impressed.
They would have been even more irritated if they had known a 331 was following them on an Edge Hill-Preston ECS run.
To rub salt into the wound, the next northbound train was the Manchester-Barrow 195.
This is normally turned slow line at Balshaw Lane to follow the Blackpool 319, but it sailed past on the fast for an earlier arrival at Preston.
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Passed 195105 which was not in service and stationary at Slaithwaite Station around 19.35 this evening. It was heading in the Huddersfield direction. I passed it whilst on the 19.28 Huddersfield stopper to Marsden.
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195 103 has made its way to Yorkshire and is now reposing in the GBRf Wrenthorpe sidings at Wakefield.
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195112 was testing between Warrington and Wigan today.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S09824/2019/08/24/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S09835/2019/08/24/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S09824/2019/08/24/advanced
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Had my first run on a 195 this afternoon, and I was quite impressed.
16:09 Piccadilly to Lime St was busy but not full. Air con worked & legroom ok at airline style seat. They’re quite quick off the mark for a DMU too.
16:09 Piccadilly to Lime St was busy but not full. Air con worked & legroom ok at airline style seat. They’re quite quick off the mark for a DMU too.
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Good to hear that the air con worked OK, as I presume temperature will have been in the high 20’s and dodgy air con the last thing you need.
195’s will start to appear on services on the east from w/c 20/10/19. They will be used on Leeds - Chester diagrams which interwork with the Leeds - Man Vic fast service (xx18 from Leeds and xx58 from Man Vic) alongside the odd 156 and 158. They will also work on all York - Blackpool North services which interwork with the Leeds - York via Garforth stoppers. Also noted is one trip around the Harrogate loop on Sunday’s and the last Leeds - Knottingley via Wakefield service SX although this is subject to change as these routes aren’t touted for clearance trials for them.
This will mean a cascade of 15x units allowing for the commencement of serious 142 withdrawals to take place.
This will mean a cascade of 15x units allowing for the commencement of serious 142 withdrawals to take place.
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CTR - LDS Start 21/10 (But subject very likely to delay)
Everything else you mention won’t be till Mid/End November.
331s SHOULD start on LIV-BPN replacing 319s in full 9th September also.
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Does this mean we are looking at November or even December before there are serious inroads into the Pacers? If so it is looking likely there will be a number of 142s trundling around next year to keep the already reported 144s company.
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Yes. They’ll pretty much be staying till the very death.
They are all diagrammed from 20/10/19. Whether the units are ready and crews trained is another story altogether.
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195001 and 195007 have entered service - have any others?
On at least one occasion, one of those has operated solo. How fun.
I have to say the downside to these trains are the high pitch squeels under breaking, you would think a modern train would not sound like that, I bet its even more horrendous in underground stations although thankfully when they are idle, they dont sound anything as bad as the 180s.
Love the sound when they move away and the acceleration is really impressive.
I understand why Northern have ordered 2 cars of these units as there still be lines in 20 to 30 years time where 2 cars will be enough but of course they might be elsewhere in the UK by then though!
Love the sound when they move away and the acceleration is really impressive.
I understand why Northern have ordered 2 cars of these units as there still be lines in 20 to 30 years time where 2 cars will be enough but of course they might be elsewhere in the UK by then though!
For discussion on whether more 195s should have been ordered please see the new thread here.
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Didn't such a thread already exist or do I have a false memory?
krus_aragon
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There was a similar one, posing the question of whether it should be done in the future: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...e-replaced-by-a-further-order-of-195s.185808/
I've already linked to it from the new thread.
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