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Northern Class 321/322 Withdrawal

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Given the relatively slow progress with Greater Anglia's new stock and PRM-ing of their existing fleet, it wouldn't surprise me to see the 321/9s and 322s go South to cover for those units that can't be used after December 31st, providing that Northern no longer need them by then.
 

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I wonder if Scotrail will be asking for some? More 320/4s would be welcome.
 

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2 to go into warm storage by the end of September so this is the first by the looks of it. If there are any problems with the 331’s then they can just be returned south to cover.
 

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Would be good if Heaton sent it out on a couple of Morpeth turns.
 

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I saw a 322 on a Leeds to Doncaster this morning at about 1140 through Wakf
 

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I saw a 322 on a Leeds to Doncaster this morning at about 1140 through Wakf
Was one on the triangle routes to, seen at Shipley on 2D72 1716 Bradford to Ilkley. Only saw it from a far so not sure wether it was a 321 or 322.
 

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2 to go into warm storage by the end of September so this is the first by the looks of it. If there are any problems with the 331’s then they can just be returned south to cover.
Is there nowhere to store them closer to their actual operating area? Surely there's space at Doncaster rather than having to ferry them down from Newcastle in a pinch?
 

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Probably costs less to store at Heaton then having to rent space at another company’s property. No room at Neville Hill.
 

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Is there nowhere to store them closer to their actual operating area? Surely there's space at Doncaster rather than having to ferry them down from Newcastle in a pinch?

Doncaster is full of 195/331 training units.
 

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Interesting - the Dusty Bins are still being worked as hard as ever around West Yorkshire and there's still a good six months until the 333 refurb is done.

In fact, if you waited long enough at Baildon it's entirely possible that you might see four successive trains calling at the same platform formed from four different classes.
 

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Doncaster is full of 195/331 training units.
Wrenthorpe loop? 333s lived there when first delivered. Two full-length (IC225 set size) sidings there with overheads in place, shove them down the Leeds end and they'll still be available for turning the training runs...

Until the local scallies get their hands on them, of course!
 

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Surely it would make more sense to use 314s once they have been displaced by 385s??
No, because:
- the 320s can be used to work with other 318s/320s
- the 314s are not PRM compliant
- the 314s are life expired
- if 321901-903/322481-485 were to be used, they are already PRM modified
 

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Both primary Doncaster turns were 322’s today (Thursday), somewhat to my annoyance as I had been hoping for a 331 on the fast route down the ECML. There was also a 321/9 on the blocks at Leeds in the late afternoon which the 333 I took went on top of
 

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No, because:
- the 320s can be used to work with other 318s/320s
- the 314s are not PRM compliant
- the 314s are life expired
- if 321901-903/322481-485 were to be used, they are already PRM modified
321s, 322s and 320s i would argue are life expired too so why they are even being considered being kept when really they need to go to scrap
 

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321s, 322s and 320s i would argue are life expired too so why they are even being considered being kept when really they need to go to scrap
The Northern 321/322s are PRM-ready, something which can't be said for a large chunk of their sister units at Greater Anglia. Scotrail's 320s have all had heavy overhauls in the last few years so should have plenty of life in them.
 

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321s, 322s and 320s i would argue are life expired too so why they are even being considered being kept when really they need to go to scrap

I don't think any of the 32x classes of unit can be considered life-expired. Trains, just like cars or buses, don't have to be brand new or newer than say 10-15 years old to do a job - and a good quality job at that.
 

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I don't think any of the 32x classes of unit can be considered life-expired. Trains, just like cars or buses, don't have to be brand new or newer than say 10-15 years old to do a job - and a good quality job at that.
Then that same argument can be applied to most older trains then? Not just the 32x’s
 

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Then that same argument can be applied to most older trains then? Not just the 32x’s

Absolutely it can.

What's needed and has been needed for a very long time is logical and joined up thinking in terms of rolling stock orders / refurbishments / cascades / withdrawals / placements.

But I don't see any on the horizon for a very long time, if ever.

Sadly.
 

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I hear both 321 901 and 902 were to go to warm store at Heaton to release much needed siding space. 902 didn't go as there still short of working emus.
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Well, 333005 just failed at Leeds on the 1702 Ilkley with a door fault and another Skipton is also cancelled due to a train fault so that warm storage might just become warmer!
 

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Hi All, do the 321s and 322s have any specific workings or diagrams at the moment? From what I've seen 321s seem to have at least one slot on the Leeds - Doncaster workings at the moment but can these diagrams be covered by both 321's/322s as the need dictates? Thanks in advance.
 

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Hi All, do the 321s and 322s have any specific workings or diagrams at the moment? From what I've seen 321s seem to have at least one slot on the Leeds - Doncaster workings at the moment but can these diagrams be covered by both 321's/322s as the need dictates? Thanks in advance.
I think it's random Leeds-Doncaster and Airedale/Wharfedale diagrams. Considering its Northern any scheduled diagram would go out of the window anyway.
 

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There is no booked work on the Doncaster line anymore and I think only 1 possibly 2 are booked for a day round the Leeds North west triangle. But it’s very rarely sticking to that due to 331 reliability problems
 

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There are still quite a few units diagrammed around the triangle each day as there are only 2 x 331 diagrams and there is a 333 missing due to refurb (is 333009 still away for repairs too?). All are booked as 321 however this is a generic term for both classes and either can turn up.
 
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