Northern Class 321/322 Withdrawal

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All electric services on the triangle are shown as pathed for class 333 regardless of the booked traction, whether it be 333, 32x or 331.
Yeah, but it seems like there is a plan of which services are assigned which type of train.

There are certain services which are a 32X every day, and others which are generally 333s. So it isn't just a case of everything is ‘supposed’ to be a 333 and they send a 32X if one isn't available: there are some services that are allocated to be 32Xs, regardless of how they show in the schedule.
 

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Correct, every service has booked traction but if said traction is unavailable then a replacement is used.

However for timings everything is timed as per a type of traction rather than the booked traction such as 100mph class 333 EMU (as mentioned could be any electric type) or 75mph Pacer (could be a 158 booked for the service but the path is timed for a pacer).
 

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There seem to be as many 322s as ever on the Wharfedale Line: of 8 journeys I took last week, 3 turned out to be 322s (one Ilkley–Bradford, one Bradford–Ilkley, and one Ilkley–Leeds), all of which were shown on Realtime Trains as “Pathed as Class 333 EMU” — and at least the Leeds journey being one that's usually a 333.

This morning there was a broken down 322 clogging up platform 2 at Ilkley, and the train I was on crossed with another 322 at Guiseley (I think the 09:02 from Leeds, which apparently spent 19 minutes on the platform at Guiseley).

I think I've only seen one 331 this year, and I haven't been on one for months.
There are definitely two regular diagrams the 331s appear on, I was on one yesterday for the 15:03 Leeds-Ilkley. And on changing at Guiseley the ex 15:16 Bradford FS-Ilkley was also a 331. Both these services have been regularly frequented by 331s in recent times so you could use RTT to follow the diagrams around to catch them.

I've tended to find the 321/322s frequenting a lot of morning peak services, I've yet to see a 331 on any of the early morning Aire & Wharfe services. But there are still plenty of 321/322s roaming around the triangle at the moment.
 

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There are definitely two regular diagrams the 331s appear on, I was on one yesterday for the 15:03 Leeds-Ilkley. And on changing at Guiseley the ex 15:16 Bradford FS-Ilkley was also a 331. Both these services have been regularly frequented by 331s in recent times so you could use RTT to follow the diagrams around to catch them.

I've tended to find the 321/322s frequenting a lot of morning peak services, I've yet to see a 331 on any of the early morning Aire & Wharfe services. But there are still plenty of 321/322s roaming around the triangle at the moment.
2H14 0656 Leeds to Skipton / 0744 Skipton to Leeds is still fairly solid 321/322 when I see it or catch it. But no guarantees.

I'll let someone else trace the rest of the diagram!
 

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I've tended to find the 321/322s frequenting a lot of morning peak services, I've yet to see a 331 on any of the early morning Aire & Wharfe services. But there are still plenty of 321/322s roaming around the triangle at the moment.
One works the 0618 Skipton - Leeds, 0711 Leeds - Bradford, 0746 Bradford - Ilkley etc. and the other drops on to the 0856 Leeds - Skipton after coming in from Doncaster

2H14 0656 Leeds to Skipton / 0744 Skipton to Leeds is still fairly solid 321/322 when I see it or catch it. But no guarantees.

I'll let someone else trace the rest of the diagram!
Fairly sure that's the one which sits in Leeds all day before working the 1736 to Bradford
 

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2H14 0656 Leeds to Skipton / 0744 Skipton to Leeds is still fairly solid 321/322 when I see it or catch it. But no guarantees.

I'll let someone else trace the rest of the diagram!
As is the 06:02 Ilkley-Leeds (much to my disappointment as I use this quite often), which I believe then forms that 06:56 to Skipton.

One works the 0618 Skipton - Leeds, 0711 Leeds - Bradford, 0746 Bradford - Ilkley etc. and the other drops on to the 0856 Leeds - Skipton after coming in from Doncaster
Ah that one I would not normally connect with as I'd be on the 06:37 LNER service out of Shipley, and as there's an hour gap after the first service from Baildon to Shipley. But interesting to know.
 
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Yesturday, one of the 331 diagrams around the Shipley triangle was covered by a 322

BTW, the booked 331 diagrams around the Shipley triangle are:

2B58 0759 Doncaster to Leeds
2H24 0854 Leeds to Skipton
2H29 0947 Skipton to Leeds
2P36 1042 Leeds to Bradford Forster Square
2D48 1116 Bradford Forster Square to Ilkley
2D51 1151 Ilkley to Bradford Forster Square
2S26 1241 Bradford Forster Square to Skipton
2S31 1334 Skipton to Bradford Forster Square
2P51 1430 Bradford Forster Square to Leeds
2V40 1503 Leeds to Ilkley
2V43 1540 Ilkley to Leeds
2H54 1626 Leeds to Skipton
2H59 1717 Skipton to Leeds
2P66 1812 Leeds to Bradford Forster Square
2D78 1846 Bradford Forster Square to Ilkley
2D81 1923 Ilkley to Bradford Forster Square
2S56 2011 Bradford Forster Square to Skipton
2H75 2117 Skipton to Leeds
2H82 2256 Leeds to Skipton
5H82 2345 Skipton to Skipton Broughton Rd C.S.

5H09 0603 Skipton Broughton Rd C.S. to Skipton
2H09 0618 Skipton to Leeds
2P22 0711 Leeds to Bradford Forster Square
2D34 0747 Bradford Forster Square to Ilkley
2D37 0824 Ilkley to Bradford Forster Square
2S12 0907 Bradford Forster Square to Skipton
2S17 1004 Skipton to Bradford Forster Square
2P37 1100 Bradford Forster Square to Leeds
2V26 1133 Leeds to Ilkley
2V29 1210 Ilkley to Leeds
2H40 1256 Leeds to Skipton
2H45 1347 Skipton to Leeds
2P52 1442 Leeds to Bradford Forster Square
2D64 1516 Bradford Forster Square to Ilkley
2D67 1551 Ilkley to Bradford Forster Square
2S42 1641 Bradford Forster Square to Skipton
2S47 1734 Skipton to Bradford Forster Square
2P67 1830 Bradford Forster Square to Leeds
2V60 1904 Leeds to Ilkley
2V61 1940 Ilkley to Leeds
2B39 2331 Leeds to Doncaster
 

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Just saw an Instagram post of 901 and 902 being dragged by 37800 to Clacton - are they being temporarily used by GA until their new trains are in service?
 

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Not to mention that the 90 loco-hauled sets are meant to be off lease from this point onwards, so makes up a lack of available units
 

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Not to mention that the 90 loco-hauled sets are meant to be off lease from this point onwards, so makes up a lack of available units
With 10 745s accepted, and only half the Norwich-London service operating, they're not exactly short of trains.
 

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Just saw an Instagram post of 901 and 902 being dragged by 37800 to Clacton - are they being temporarily used by GA until their new trains are in service?
Well there's a turn up for the books. Northern cast-offs being used down south.
 

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Is it correct that the 321s and 322s are in a common pool (at Northern)? So theoretically, the 322s could be used by GA straight away, or with just an a4 sheet of differences, for example?
 

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Is it correct that the 321s and 322s are in a common pool (at Northern)? So theoretically, the 322s could be used by GA straight away, or with just an a4 sheet of differences, for example?
Worth bearing in mind that Northern didn't run their Class 321/322s in multiple, not sure if they'll be compatible with GA's existing 321s.
 

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They've run together following failures etc without any issue.
I wouldnt go that far they're notorious for transferring faults. Non more so than outside Doncaster when we only had the 321s and all 3 were couple together in the end and still couldn't move so had to dig out the emergency coupler for the Doncaster Thunderbird
 

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I wouldnt go that far they're notorious for transferring faults. Non more so than outside Doncaster when we only had the 321s and all 3 were couple together in the end and still couldn't move so had to dig out the emergency coupler for the Doncaster Thunderbird
Not surprised by this at all, my point was that the 321/9s hardly (if ever) run in multiple during regular service.
 

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They could be used on the Harwich branch line or Colchester to Walton service as they only need 4 car units so freeing up other 321/360 for use else where
 

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They could be used on the Harwich branch line or Colchester to Walton service as they only need 4 car units so freeing up other 321/360 for use else where
That is the thought I had, guess we'll just have to wait and see when the full timetable is (eventually) resumed.
 

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With 10 745s accepted, and only half the Norwich-London service operating, they're not exactly short of trains.
I don't think London crew sign 745s yet, so half the Norwich services will have to be 321s, when the full service resumes.
 
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