GrimShady
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Are these Mechanically or Electricaly compatible with the 195s?
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Northern Class 331: Construction/Introduction Updates
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Mordac
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Will these replace the 323s on the Stoke runs, or will that be given over to 319s?
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Were end gangways ever considered for these new units?
Bletchleyite
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They are certainly possible, as all other UK CAF DMU orders are gangwayed.
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Must have been cheaper! If the Sprinters have them then these should too, features should be added with every new generation not removed.
They may regret this omission in the future, especially the two car units.
One plus is a better cab for drivers.
Bletchleyite
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Dare I suggest that a high quality cab may have been a sop for drivers to agree DOO?
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Ha, could well be. Such talk could start a war!
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DJH1971
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I was unable to get the number, but a 331 just passed St Helens Junction a couple of minutes ago going eastwards on a test run.
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This one? http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y27995/2018/10/22/advanced
Seems like a freight almost passed it so a double whammy!
Suggest all you want. It's not even remotely true but there you go.
The cab was designed in conjunction with Aslef, and has been fitted with all futureproof kit such as ertms and monitors for doo.
There is no way you could fit all this stuff in and have a gangway.
Bletchleyite
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How are WMT and TfW managing it, then? No DOO kit?
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Class 387s have support for DOO and ERTMS, and a gangway too!
DJH1971
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Sounds like the train in question.
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Still on track (ha ha) to have the first couple in service by Dec 10, or maybe Monday Dec 11?
331102 was on this as was at Crewe earlier.
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Met 331 001 at Preston today, just as it was about to set off for Lime St.
Plainly still under CAF control, with a CAF ZARAGOZA poster in one window.
It also seems to have UIC? vehicle numbers as well as GB ones painted on.
Eg - one vehicle number was 466 001, while underneath that was the number 947004660017.
There was also a window poster saying: CARS TESTING CENTER PROTOTYPE UT2 EMU.
The seats were still under plastic wraps, but it looked pretty smart.
Plainly still under CAF control, with a CAF ZARAGOZA poster in one window.
It also seems to have UIC? vehicle numbers as well as GB ones painted on.
Eg - one vehicle number was 466 001, while underneath that was the number 947004660017.
There was also a window poster saying: CARS TESTING CENTER PROTOTYPE UT2 EMU.
The seats were still under plastic wraps, but it looked pretty smart.
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I think 331s will be allocated to Stoke services as these need better acceleration than 319s currently provide.
DJH1971
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331102 just pulled into Liverpool Lime Street a couple of minutes ago.
That’s a weird and unreadable way of displaying the EVN... shouldn’t they be following the standard UIC format (I believe these have been put on in the UK) ? Which should be, for LNW-GW Joint’s picture, 94 70 0466001-7. Plus the GB country code is missing, and also the VKM (Vehicle Keeper Marking).
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The number has had the spaces removed which makes the number hard to read. However, all required digits are present including the country code (70). The last digit is the computer check number which only ensures that the number is correct.
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331105
DJH1971
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How could you tell, as this unit didn't have numbers on both cab ends?
Unless they are on the sides somewhere
jonesy3001
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pics on the facebook groups and it's the only one without numbers.
DJH1971
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I would have thought it would not be allowed to run on the rail network unnumbered?
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