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Northern Class 331: Construction/Introduction Updates

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Do you know how 150137 came to be in P1? I can't find any trace of anything having been cancelled (or short-formed) in order to provide a unit.
I can't help but think that it would have been worthwhile waiting a few extra minutes and using the unit off the 0923 arrival ex-Blackpool (which should have been a 319) on the delayed 0906. The scheduled next working of the ex-Blackpool, 0930 Wilmslow, would have been better able to stand a 150 (on a Sunday), I'm sure. And if anyone should think I'm in any way anti-Chat Moss, I can tell you, it's my local line.

I've got no idea I'm afraid, the unit was already at Platform 1 when the announcement was made.
 
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Has anyone got a copy of all current 331 diagrams in the Liverpool, Blackpool and Manchester areas ?
 

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From the drivers point of view there really is no comparison between a 331 and the old 319's and Sprinters. The new CAF Units are by far the best thing to happen to the job in many years.
 

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That is appalling - a 150 standing in from a 331. These two trains really are Worlds apart

It didn't bother me and I didn't hear anybody else complaining either.

I, and I'm sure many others, preferred having the stand-in Sprinter (which meant the service still ran) over waiting an hour for the next train.
 

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Managed to time my train from St Helens Central into Liverpool yesterday evening to get a 331, thanks to information on this forum. Must admit they look great, found the interior attractive and loved the information screens. The seats were comfortable, supportive and spacious due to the 2 + 2 Great that they highlight which side the platform is on although they changed their minds at both Huyton and LS which even confused the train manager.

Didn’t love the ride that much though, felt it was very extremely firm, especially when sat above the bogies. (Obviously this is only based on my experience on the St Helens Central to Liverpool LS line) I moved to try a few different seating locations but it still wasn’t the best ride I’ve felt, with a fair amount of lateral roll very much apparent!

I still think the 323 has a better ride quality from my experiences on the Crosscity line in Birmingham. Delighted though to see that 331 and 323 will become the dominant trains on the Wigan - St Helens Central - Liverpool LS line. These 331 units are a phenomenal improvement over a 319.
 
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State of play at Edge Hill today.

Couldn’t see any 195s. Maybe tucked away in the shed/pit where 2 sets where sat.
331 013, 015-018, 103 and 112 all in depot. 018 has just arrived as it still hasn’t been put together.

If of interest, 802 208 also on the depot as well.
 

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State of play at Edge Hill today.

Couldn’t see any 195s. Maybe tucked away in the shed/pit where 2 sets where sat.
331 013, 015-018, 103 and 112 all in depot. 018 has just arrived as it still hasn’t been put together.

If of interest, 802 208 also on the depot as well.
All the Liverpool to Airport via Warrington semi-fasts have been cancelled today due to shortage of staff.
 

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All the Liverpool to Airport via Warrington semi-fasts have been cancelled today due to shortage of staff.

That is what I said about 32 hours ago on the '195 Diagrams' thread. I mean, 195s are the type of train which normally operate the service, aren't they?

I see that, according to Northern's own website, the Liverpool to Manchester Airport semi-fast service is being cancelled tomorrow, without replacement.
This is consistent with what is coming up on 'Realtime Trains', although to obtain the required information you have to ask for cancelled trains to be included, if you don't select 'Cancel' the full service is shown as running as normal.
 

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State of play at Edge Hill today.

Couldn’t see any 195s. Maybe tucked away in the shed/pit where 2 sets where sat.
331 013, 015-018, 103 and 112 all in depot. 018 has just arrived as it still hasn’t been put together.

If of interest, 802 208 also on the depot as well.

Thanks for this, much appreciated.
 

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Hi,

Just asking how many 331s are on the Liverpool-Blackpool service and what services are they currently on and are any 319s still running on this service?

Luke
 

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All diagrams are showing as booked as 331 so definitely intentions for the service to be all 331 eventually. These new trains are going to get trashed on Saturday nights on Blackpool-Liverpools. The 319 was in a shocking state.
 

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Some loco hauled moves of 331s for the next couple of days

331002 is booked to move to Skipton 09/10, 331004 is booked to move to Skipton 10/10.


331102 and 331105 booked to go from Skipton to Allerton on 10/10.


And todays move from Neville Hill to Allerton is 331107 pulled by 37611
 

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Some loco hauled moves of 331s for the next couple of days

331002 is booked to move to Skipton 09/10, 331004 is booked to move to Skipton 10/10.


331102 and 331105 booked to go from Skipton to Allerton on 10/10.


And todays move from Neville Hill to Allerton is 331107 pulled by 37611

What's with the swaps, maintenance or using the 331/1s on liverpool - blackpools due to passenger increase?
 

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Don’t know the reason. An educated guess says maintenance and the 3 cars are purely over for driver training
 

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Some loco hauled moves of 331s for the next couple of days

331002 is booked to move to Skipton 09/10, 331004 is booked to move to Skipton 10/10.


331102 and 331105 booked to go from Skipton to Allerton on 10/10.


And todays move from Neville Hill to Allerton is 331107 pulled by 37611
102 & 105 both laid up at Skipton today.
 

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The West are losing some of their 3-cars and getting 4-cars instead so I've heard.
It's a shame the 4-car ones don't accelerate as quick as the 3-car.
 

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Some loco hauled moves of 331s for the next couple of days

331002 is booked to move to Skipton 09/10, 331004 is booked to move to Skipton 10/10.


331102 and 331105 booked to go from Skipton to Allerton on 10/10.


And todays move from Neville Hill to Allerton is 331107 pulled by 37611
Allerton to Skipton
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O47185/2019/10/09/advanced
Skipton to Preston sidings!!
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K03521/2019/10/10/advanced
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Hopefully as the existing 4 car trains don't cope on the Aire and Wharfe - and we were promised an extension to 6!
I wouldn't live in hope for 6 cars for a year or so as its waiting for Leeds platform zero which is proceeding at Network rail (snail) pace.
Despite the obvious to some need only a handful of workers there the other day and no weekend or night work.
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How much horsepower do these 331's have ?

The 331 acceleration is *much* faster than 180, 185, 220,221,222 DMU's and they have 750hp under each carriage.

The 331's also only have 2 powered cars out of 3 or 4 wheras these DMU's have an engine under every carriage.
 

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They have eight 220kW asynchronous traction motors, so 1760kW / ~2360hp on tap.
 

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They have eight 220kW asynchronous traction motors, so 1760kW / ~2360hp on tap.
Take care when comparing horsepower. Electric motors are usually rated by there 1 hour rating and can produce much more depending on the capacity of the electronics feeding them. Prob more like 3600hp for a 331 with the fastest dmu, the class 220 being limited by the 4 750hp Cummings which with losses i guess is more like 2400hp. The 220s are geared for 125mph too.
For interest 0 to 60 times for an empty a 3 car 331 aprox 30sec with 37sec for a 4 car. A 333 is 60 sec.
Somewhere on here are the some 0 to 60 times for other units which appear monthly in Rail Express magazine.
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The transformer is rated at 2750kVA which might be more indicative to those with more electrical knowledge than me.

There is a data plate on the transformer casing which I will try to get hold of a decent picture of.
 
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