northern ex LM 150s

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  1. Tomonthetrain

    Tomonthetrain Established Member

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    Hi all

    Does anyone have the usual diagrams for the ex LM 150s at Northern for weekdays and Saturday's?

    Tom
     
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  3. adamp

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    Impossible to get them on a usual diagram, they vary so much. Best bet is to get a schedule for the day of such unit. But i'm pretty sure that is usually obtained by people in 'the know'
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    I hope that they operate on the Manchester to Sheffield and Manchester to Buxton routes:D
     
  5. MCR247

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    Isn't the former mostly 142 territory?
     
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    Your half right. Manchester to sheffield is mostly 142's but they are not cleared to Buxton so that is 150/156 operated.
     
  7. driver9000

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    The former London Midland 150s will operate in the common NH 150 pool and will appear on any diagram they are able to. They don't have any 'regular' diagrams or routes so to speak, the 2 sets that have entered traffic have been popping up all over Lancashire and Manchester in the last week or so.

    The ATW 150/2 has been allowed to wander off to places other than Clitheroe too unlike the previous ATW 150.
     
  8. northernrail

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    Can anyone say witch are at Newton Heath now, went past this morning and there looks at least one in.
     
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    Hence the reason I said the former ;)
     
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    There are at least 8 ex LM 150s at Newton Heath. 150111,114 and 214 were the first to arrive, another rake followed them later that week formed of 150113,226,214,110 and 210. More to follow.

    150111 and 114 are now in service to replace 156497 and 498 which have gone to EMT.
     
  11. YorkshireBear

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    I think i missed all this somewhere i didnt realise the cascade to northern was starting! and therefore the cascade to EMT too.

    When can we expect them all to be here by? and the pacers from FGW is that cascade going on too?
     
  12. voyagerweb

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    Travelled on one Friday afternoon huddersfield to Sheffield
     
  13. YorkshireBear

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    ah i may have to get out and about and try and find some then. Maybe a little trip out tommorow. Shame im not in sheffield at the moment although im sure one will make it to leeds before long.
     
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    I also should add a much more comfortable ride than the 'usual' northern 150 in the morning.
     
  15. Lampshade

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    Hardly surprising it ended up in Yorkshire very quickly :roll:
     
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    No idea when other 150s are due to arrive at Northern other than the timetable change being the most often mentioned date.

    142029 and 064 were returned to Newton Heath from Exeter on Friday.
     
  17. YorkshireBear

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    .... yeah but only in a common 150 pool...... it wasnt a 4 car unit, im sure the 150 it replaced is back west of the pennines... there is usually at least 1 150 unit on huddersfield line.

    Thanks for info about transfers. Well fingers crossed its all finished by timetable change.

    Now we just need to wait for the DDA refurbs....
     
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    Sorry, I didn't see that bit :)
     
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    Has the 156497/498 (Ex Northern Rail) gone to East Midlands Trains?, Are ex Arriva Trains Northern or First North Western, I bet both of the 158 units that are used on the Matlock to Nottingham route have gone back to Liverpool to Norwich route or are they still using the 158's on the Matlock to Nottingham
     
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    156497/498 are at Derby Etches Park undergoing their pre-service checks and maintenance (apparently Northern sent them needing rather a lot of work!). As they have not yet entered service, I imagine the 158s are still trundling along to Matlock and back several times a day.

    They are both ex Northern Spirit/ATN/Eastern units (with horrible Richmond seating and bugger all leg room).

    Expect EMT to put on a song and dance when they get extra units on Nottingham - Liverpool - despite them being rather late and accepting a daft passenger usage indicator from the DfT.
     
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    I hate ex ATN ones, it would be better if the 156 were ex FNW ones or if EMT had some of the LM 150 units

    What do mean EMT will put on a song and dance when they get extra units on Nottingham to Liverpool?
     
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    I will have to admit a marked difference of opinion here: I think the former Northern Spirit 156s are the best of the entire class and I wish the seating fitted to them had been used more widely in other refurbishments. In my opinion the North West 156s are a poor comparison, though it is sad to see the Northern Spirit 156s looking so run down now.
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    But that would create an unnecessary micro-fleet for EMT: Better for them to gain further examples of a unit type they already operate than a few examples of a one they currently don't.
     
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    I agree entirely, the Richmond seating on the Northern Spirit ones are so much more comfortable. Only problem is they're wearing out now on some units and beginning to 'slope' downwards. It's particularly bad on 156486, which is missing tables and the seat squabs have actually detached in some cases.
     
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    Yeah, many of the units are well and truly past their best now, which is unfortunate when in my opinion they were excellent when they were in good condition.
     
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    This is the only experience I have of Richmonds. Chapman seating is much more durable.
     
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    They were renown for having little to no heating in winter so hopefully they're finally getting round to fixing that!

    I saw a phot of 150114 on a SHF-HUD working the other day, it had Huddersfield on the blind but the old LM secondary blind was still in place below reading "Semi-Fast" :lol:
     
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    Currently semi slow with numerous speed restrictions. :D
     
  28. Tomonthetrain

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    Surprised it didn't display via Birmingham Snow Hill
     
  29. Geeves

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    The interiors maybe but why would Northern bother when they were being forced to send their best trains away anyway!! Over 350 man hours was spent on underfloor welding, new bogies, replacement gearboxes, final drives and other various underfloor equipment. 498 worked its final trips to Rochdale looking newer on the outside than it had for nearly 8 years!!

    They even delayed refurbishing Northerns current 150's and 156s so they could these 156s up to scratch for EMT.
     
  30. WillPS

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    Because the train doesn't belong to Northern/Serco/Abellio - it belongs to the ROSCO. Just because I've invested in the flat I rent doesn't mean I have the right to leave it trashed if I were to leave.
     
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    Im fully aware that the trains don't belong to Northern cheers!

    You have to remember that Northern have been operating on bare bones for the vast majority of the franchise, so its quite difficult to take trains out for refurbishment with out short forming (or cancelling) a service somewhere!
     
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