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Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

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Sorry I need to correct myself I meant front panel not full roof although according to my photo collection it would seem that 142 058 has one car with a full blue roof and the other all grey. I wonder how this came about. Just for interest both cars of 45 are light blue instead of grey.

I can only assume the light blue roof comes from the original Provincial Sector livery. Either through being left unpainted or perhaps the repaint wore away through weathering over the past 20 odd years and the original livery came through?
 
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I can only assume the light blue roof comes from the original Provincial Sector livery.
It doesn't. The destination panels and roof ends on Provincial livery were yellow and black, and units such as 142005 never wore that scheme as they were delivered in GMPTE orange livery. The light blue roofs are a Northern application, though I'm not sure whether they were light blue as a result of panels being touched up or whether weathering has caused the variation in shade.
 
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I can only assume the light blue roof comes from the original Provincial Sector livery. Either through being left unpainted or perhaps the repaint wore away through weathering over the past 20 odd years and the original livery came through?
The paint used for the roof in the first round of repaints somehow weathered to that weird bluey colour quite quickly. The paint used for the second repaint was far better quality and kept it's desired colour!
 

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I can only assume the light blue roof comes from the original Provincial Sector livery. Either through being left unpainted or perhaps the repaint wore away through weathering over the past 20 odd years and the original livery came through?

Firstly on further inspection of my photos I think both cars on 058 have a grey roof. the angle and lighting made it look blue so sorry for that. However I hate to play devils advocate but the weathering idea would not really explain the cab roof on 061 as shown in the photo.P1210344.JPG P1210343.JPG
 

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Sorry if it has been mentioned before, but do any pacers come anywhere near Alderley Edge anymore? I'm hoping to get one final ride on them and it's my nearest Northern line.

Thanks in advance.
 

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The alderly edge to wigan/southport via stockport, manchester and bolton train is DMUs, but IIRC it's a while since I've seen a pacer on it.

The other services (crewe to manchester via stockport and crewe to liverpool via manchester airport and manchester) are normally 319 or 323 EMUs
 

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Some of the 158’s suffered the blue roof erosion too. 158816 rings a bell.
Some of the first 142/158 units painted in the finalised Northern Rail (Serco-NedRail) livery did have a blue roof rather than grey. Where they were painted varied, some (150/1 IIRC) were painted at Ferrybridge(?) and others were painted at Newton Heath by a contractor from Stoke on Trent, others were painted at Neville Hill I think.
 

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I can't see what Network Rail would want with a Pacer, unless they're looking at creating a couple of Branchline Mesurement Train's or BMT's?

Has there been any disposals more preservations recently?
 

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Has anyone got an updated list on what 142's are still in service.
i do yes

Last updated 17/2/20 at 12:38

Number - Operator - Livery - Depot - Notes

142001 - National Railway Museam - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Shildon - Donated by Angel Trains
142002 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142003 - (unknown owner at present) - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Gascoigne Wood -
142004 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Newton Heath - Due to stay till 31/5/20
142005 - C.F. Booths - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 3/12/19
142006 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142007 - Off Lease - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Gascoigne Wood - Off Lease 5/1/20
142008 - Crewe Works - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 23/6/99 Due to The Winsford crash
142009 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 28/1/20

142010 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142011 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - warm stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142012 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Landore - Use for spare parts
142013 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm Stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142014 - Off Lease - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Gascoigne Wood - Off lease 4/1/20
142015 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 7/1/20
142016 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 19/12/19

142017 - East Kent Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Worksop -
142018 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm Stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142019 - Waverley route Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Waverley route Railway-
142020 - Waverley route Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Waverley route Railway -

142021 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - scrapped 14/1/20
142022 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 19/12/19

142023 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Neville Hill - warm stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20, set to be preserved at the Plym valley railway
142024 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - scrapped 20/1/20
142025 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 19/12/19
142026 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - scrapped 14/1/20
142027 - Chasewater railway - N/A - N/A - Scrapped X/2/20, used as spares donor for there other units

142028 - Wensleydale Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Wensleydale Railway -
142029 - Chasewarter Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Chasewarter Railway -
142030 - Chasewarter Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Chasewarter Railway -
142031 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A- N/A - Scrapped 10/1/20
142032 - Off Lease - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Gascoigne Wood - Off lease 4/1/20
142033 - South Wales Police - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Bridgend Rugby Pitch - For Police Training
142034 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 21/1/20
142035 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142036 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/5/20, warm stored, Set to be preserved at the east Kent Railway

142037 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 20/12/19
142038 - (unknown owner at present) - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Gascoigne Wood -
142039 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 10/1/20
142040 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 16/1/20

142041 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142042 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 7/1/20
142043 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - warm stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20, “Going to 142 heaven”
142044 - C.F. Booths - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 5/12/19 Due to an Engine Fire
142045 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Newton Heath - Due to stay till 31/5/20
142046 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 21/1/20
142047 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - warm stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142048 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A- N/A - Scrapped 10/1/20
142049 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 28/1/20
142050 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 10/1/20

142051 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Newton Heath - Due to stay till 31/5/20
142052 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 20/12/19
142053 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A- N/A - Scrapped 10/1/20
142054 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 20/1/20

142055 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - warm stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142056 - Off Lease - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Gascoigne Wood - Off Lease 5/1/20
142057 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 10/1/20
142058 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Newton Heath - Due to stay till 31/5/20
142059 - Edge Hill - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 5/10/91 Due to running away because of faulty breaks
142060 - Wensleydale Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Wensleydale Railway -
142061 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/5/20
142062 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 20/1/20
142063 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 16/1/20
142064 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 20/12/19

142065 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm Stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142066 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 7/1/20
142067 - Newport docks - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 16/1/20

142068 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - York station - Route learning, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142069 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142070 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm Stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142071 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - York station - Route learning, Due to stay till 31/5/20

142072 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142073 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142074 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142075 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142076 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142077 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20

142078 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Newton Heath - Due to stay till 31/5/20
142079 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Landore - Use for spare parts
142080 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142081 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142082 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142083 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20

142084 - Rushden Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Rushden Railway -
142085 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
142086 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Cardiff Canton - Use for spare parts

142087 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm Stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142088 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 12/12/19
142089 - Off Lease - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Gascoigne Wood - Off lease 4/1/20
142090 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Newton Heath - Due to stay till 31/5/20
142091 - Rushden Railway - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Rushden Railway -
142092 - Newport Docks - N/A - N/A - scrapped 14/1/20
142093 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 12/12/19

142094 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm Stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20
142095 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Warm Stored, Due to stay till 31/5/20

142096 - EMR Kingsbury - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 12/12/19

143601 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143602 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20

143603 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -
143604 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143605 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143606 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143607 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143608 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143609 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143610 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20

143611 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -
143612 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -

143613 - Crewe Works- N/A - N/A - Scrapped 17/10/04 due to an engine fire
143614 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143615 - Crewe Works - N/A - N/A - Scrapped 26/4/04 due to an engine fire
143616 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143617 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -
143618 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -
143619 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -
143620 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -
143621 - Great Western Railway - GWR Green - Exeter -

143622 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143623 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143624 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20
143625 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - Due to stay till 31/7/20


144001 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Named "The Penstone Line Partnership," Due to stay till 31/8/20
144002 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144003 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway Ruddington, Due to stay till 31/8/20
144004 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20, set for preservation at the aln valley railway
144005 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144006 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144007 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144008 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144009 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144010 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144011 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20, set to be preserved at the K&WVR
144012 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Class 144e, The only PRM Modified pacer, Due to stay till 31/8/20
144013 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144014 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144015 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144016 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144017 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20, set for preservation (unknown owner)
144018 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144019 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144020 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144021 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144022 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
144023 - Northern - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Heaton - Due to stay till 31/8/20
 
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