Northern Passengers Taking “Direct Action.”

[Raul_Duke]

According to Twitter, Northern passengers have refused to let the crew onboard a train they deem to be “overcrowded.”

Apparently they’ve caused a 35 minute delay in order for Northern to “get fined,” by Network Rail.

Delay attribution is not something I have much knowledge of, but it isn’t it still the case that TOC’s don’t get fines for delays caused by disruptive passengers?

So aside from expressing their, entirely understandable frustration, have they done anything apart from make themselves half an hour later home than they would have been?

 

[ainsworth74]

As far as I can tell all they've done is make everyone's journey worse. Well done.

 

[Bungle965]

I mean, would the person like the pacer removed? I'm sure that would help with the overcrowding.
Sam

 

[Andyh82]

One minute he complains about short forms, next minute he complains about a pacers being used for strengthening.

In any case I’m not sure why this ill informed nonsense had to get an airing on this forum?

 

[2L70]

Lanyard is recognisable - Sky Call Centre?

 

[Edders23]

As far as I can tell all they've done is make everyone's journey worse. Well done.

INCLUDING THEIR OWN !!!!

The problem now is that dissatisfied customers can smell blood and in their minds actions like this will hasten the sacking of the franchise holder

 

[Edders23]

perhaps all those passengers should be sent to japan to experience commuting there !!

 

[scrapy]

Is that Bolton platform 1?

Reason I ask is it looks like a Blackburn/Clitheroe to Rochdale service. Looking back at real time trains I can't see any of these, or anything else from platform 1 running more than 10 minutes late (and that left Hall'in'th'Wood 6 late).

 

[theironroad]

Anyone who has the " ok boomer" as their profile name won't get much respect considering it's become a term of insult to older people .

 

[liam456]

Anyone who has the " ok boomer" as their profile name won't get much respect considering it's become a term of insult to older people .

ok, boomer

 

[theironroad]

ok, boomer

Good try, but doubt you know how old I am or me you.....

 

[liam456]

Good try, but doubt you know how old I am or me you.....

Sorry, couldn't resist!

 

[Chrisyd]

Looks like Bolton platform 1, fortunately I was not traveling into Manchester and so was not affected today. The 158 attached to a 142 has become quite a common site on the Clitheroe - Rochdale line!

Actual service can be seen here: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y29759/2020-01-06/detailed

 

[158756]

Is that Bolton platform 1?

Reason I ask is it looks like a Blackburn/Clitheroe to Rochdale service. Looking back at real time trains I can't see any of these, or anything else from platform 1 running more than 10 minutes late (and that left Hall'in'th'Wood 6 late).

0649 Clitheroe - Rochdale, due at Bolton at 0749, arrived 11 late after an extended stop at Entwistle, departed 35 late after a 25 minute stop. Cancelled at Victoria "due to a problem with the doors" - maybe that was at Entwistle. I suspect the problem at Bolton was the cancellation of the trains at 0755 and 0809 (so after the Clitheroe service if it hadn't been late) causing everyone to pile on the Clitheroe train. A TPE service passed through without stopping while all this was going on.

There was a 40 minute gap in trains departing Bolton for Manchester. 25 minutes of that was this delay, but still, that's totally unacceptable performance.

 

[theking]

That train does not even look that busy compared to ones down south at rush hour.

 

[Mogster]

We would have been glad of a couple of 142s on the Southport-Alderley Edge services today. Short formed 2 car 150s out and back, ridiculous overcrowding.

 

[CC 72100]

So their way of taking direct action is stopping the traincrew from boarding ie. transporting the public which is what it is meant to do? Sure, that will help.

 

[theironroad]

That train does not even look that busy compared to ones down south at rush hour.

****Grabs a bucket of cinnamon glazed popcorn and sits back to watch WWIV unfold.....

 

[B&I]

Anyone who has the " ok boomer" as their profile name won't get much respect considering it's become a term of insult to older people .

Only the really sensitive ones

 

[Camden]

The notion is so dimwitted, I don't believe it really happened.

 

[theironroad]

Only the really sensitive ones

Personally, I don't really give a *, but in general the term has become an insult thrown out in conversation to dismiss and deem irrelevant people of a certain age that the person throwing the ok boomer pejorative doesn't want to listen to, but would rather live in their own echo chamber. #life

 

[scrapy]

0649 Clitheroe - Rochdale, due at Bolton at 0749, arrived 11 late after an extended stop at Entwistle, departed 35 late after a 25 minute stop. Cancelled at Victoria "due to a problem with the doors" - maybe that was at Entwistle. I suspect the problem at Bolton was the cancellation of the trains at 0755 and 0809 (so after the Clitheroe service if it hadn't been late) causing everyone to pile on the Clitheroe train. A TPE service passed through without stopping while all this was going on.

There was a 40 minute gap in trains departing Bolton for Manchester. 25 minutes of that was this delay, but still, that's totally unacceptable performance.

Ok that train seems to show as cancelled throughout due to congestion. Also shows as cancelled on National Rail live departure boards, looks like a problem with the data input.

 

[nlogax]

This does nothing to improve Northern's lot, only makes things worse.

 

[Darandio]

This does nothing to improve Northern's lot, only makes things worse.

Isn't that the whole point? As daft as it is.

 

[Geeves]

It will just go down to disruptive passengers so it costs Northern nothing at all. Doesn't matter either to the train crew, they get paid to stand on the platform too where as the passengers who are late for work get nothing.

 

[HullRailMan]

The best way to show your destain for a business that isn’t providing the service you want is to withdraw your custom.

 

[Bantamzen]

Its a bit like protesting about climate change by disrupting the most environmentally friendly forms of transport, forcing people to use less environment friendly forms....

When did protesting in this country come to be run by the hard of thinking...??? I thought that was the reserve of politicians...

 

[Camden]

Again, I don't believe this happened.

No corroborating evidence anywhere. Just some singular berky twitter account showing your average commuter train.

 

[Domh245]

Its a bit like protesting about climate change by disrupting the most environmentally friendly forms of transport, forcing people to use less environment friendly forms....

The difference there at least is that it seemed to attract plenty of attention, even if a lot of it was negative, but it got the movement in the media. Other than this thread & what was on twitter, this has accomplished nothing!

 

[Purple Orange]

The best way to show your destain for a business that isn’t providing the service you want is to withdraw your custom.

How exactly? I commute through south Manchester and driving or getting the bus from the Wilmslow area is simply is not an option. I’m with the passengers on this one. The service is shocking, has been for ages and May 2018 sticks in the craw.