WorriedDad
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Hi,
I'm new to this forum but have read much of the excellent advice given to date so will try to keep this brief.
Firstly I want to make it clear that none of the below is intended to be an excuse. I hold my hands up, I am absolutely in the wrong and I understand the seriousness of my offence. I am an absolute idiot and have never felt so angry, upset and disappointed in myself.
I use the train quite regularly although on different days and to different stations so I do not have a season ticket.
On this occasion I travelled from an unmanned station and due to a very busy train the conductor had not passed through the carriage. Whilst I normally buy a ticket either in advance or on the train, I know it is possible to buy a ticket at Manchester Victoria so had intended to do so at that point. On arrival at the station the train had been slightly delayed meaning that I was late for work and having seen a long queue to buy tickets, in a moment of madness, I stupidly tried to pass the Northern Rail staff showing tickets from a previous journey.
On discussion with the RPO I realised how foolish I had been and told her the truth about my journey, my intentions, my mistake and my contact details. I apologised profusely and The RPO said that my honesty and co-operation, at this point, would be taken into account. Whilst I know that it doesn't matter after the event, I bought a return ticket for my journey from the ticket office.
As I said, there are no excuses for my actions and I just hope that Northern Rail take a lenient view for this first (and last) offence.
I went back to speak to the RPO later in the day as I was sick with worry and she, mirroring the advice on this forum, said that, given this was a first offence, that NR may be able to add me to a database which I fully accept, and be asked to pay a penalty to cover the admin costs of Northern Rail which again I would fully accept. I am happy to pay any appropriate penalty, or take any other required action, in order to settle out of court.
I have a young family and a job (and a professional qualification) which they and I rely upon which it devastates me to think I could have impacted. I fully appreciate that this is my responsibility and I cannot believe, in the cold light of day, how I could jeopardise this.
I have since arranged a photo ticket so that I can buy a weekly pass on those weeks where I will take the train each day and I have also prepared a loan application to purchase an annual pass and would be happy to complete that if it might help.
I expect to get a letter from NR asking for my version of events and I have drafted a response. I was hoping that someone on the forum might take a look at it and let me know if there is anything that I should / shouldn't say in it.
I know I don't deserve any help but I will genuinely appreciate any advice on how to avoid a criminal record. I will never make such a stupid and unacceptable mistake again.
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I haven't received the letter yet but am expecting it to arrive in a few weeks. Probably just before Christmas
I expect it will read something like the one previously posted from the NR Dept and Prosecutions Unit, repeated below:
This office acts as the prosecuting authority for NR. The company has a zero tolerance policy in matters of fare evasion and anti-social behaviour.
On X 2012 you were spoken to by an authorised member of staff at Manchester Victoria train station with regard to an incident of the non payment of a rail fare. Before the company proceeds further with its investigations in respect of this matter, we would like to give you the opportunity of responding with your explanation concerning it. Please complete the bottom section of this letter and if you wish to make an comments, please do so on the reverse.
As you will appreciate, this is a serious incident; therefore it is imperative that you do not hesitate in contacting the Unit asap to ascertain the full facts in this matter. Failure to respond to this reasonable request or provide a satisfactory explanation with regard to this incident will result in legal action being taken (Regulations of Railway Act and Railway Byelaws apply). I must inform you that should legal proceedings be invoked, in addition to any fines imposed by the court there will be an application for £XXX as a contribution to our costs. Offences are recordable and should you be convicted you will receive a criminal record.
I'm new to this forum but have read much of the excellent advice given to date so will try to keep this brief.
Firstly I want to make it clear that none of the below is intended to be an excuse. I hold my hands up, I am absolutely in the wrong and I understand the seriousness of my offence. I am an absolute idiot and have never felt so angry, upset and disappointed in myself.
I use the train quite regularly although on different days and to different stations so I do not have a season ticket.
On this occasion I travelled from an unmanned station and due to a very busy train the conductor had not passed through the carriage. Whilst I normally buy a ticket either in advance or on the train, I know it is possible to buy a ticket at Manchester Victoria so had intended to do so at that point. On arrival at the station the train had been slightly delayed meaning that I was late for work and having seen a long queue to buy tickets, in a moment of madness, I stupidly tried to pass the Northern Rail staff showing tickets from a previous journey.
On discussion with the RPO I realised how foolish I had been and told her the truth about my journey, my intentions, my mistake and my contact details. I apologised profusely and The RPO said that my honesty and co-operation, at this point, would be taken into account. Whilst I know that it doesn't matter after the event, I bought a return ticket for my journey from the ticket office.
As I said, there are no excuses for my actions and I just hope that Northern Rail take a lenient view for this first (and last) offence.
I went back to speak to the RPO later in the day as I was sick with worry and she, mirroring the advice on this forum, said that, given this was a first offence, that NR may be able to add me to a database which I fully accept, and be asked to pay a penalty to cover the admin costs of Northern Rail which again I would fully accept. I am happy to pay any appropriate penalty, or take any other required action, in order to settle out of court.
I have a young family and a job (and a professional qualification) which they and I rely upon which it devastates me to think I could have impacted. I fully appreciate that this is my responsibility and I cannot believe, in the cold light of day, how I could jeopardise this.
I have since arranged a photo ticket so that I can buy a weekly pass on those weeks where I will take the train each day and I have also prepared a loan application to purchase an annual pass and would be happy to complete that if it might help.
I expect to get a letter from NR asking for my version of events and I have drafted a response. I was hoping that someone on the forum might take a look at it and let me know if there is anything that I should / shouldn't say in it.
I know I don't deserve any help but I will genuinely appreciate any advice on how to avoid a criminal record. I will never make such a stupid and unacceptable mistake again.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
I haven't received the letter yet but am expecting it to arrive in a few weeks. Probably just before Christmas
I expect it will read something like the one previously posted from the NR Dept and Prosecutions Unit, repeated below:
This office acts as the prosecuting authority for NR. The company has a zero tolerance policy in matters of fare evasion and anti-social behaviour.
On X 2012 you were spoken to by an authorised member of staff at Manchester Victoria train station with regard to an incident of the non payment of a rail fare. Before the company proceeds further with its investigations in respect of this matter, we would like to give you the opportunity of responding with your explanation concerning it. Please complete the bottom section of this letter and if you wish to make an comments, please do so on the reverse.
As you will appreciate, this is a serious incident; therefore it is imperative that you do not hesitate in contacting the Unit asap to ascertain the full facts in this matter. Failure to respond to this reasonable request or provide a satisfactory explanation with regard to this incident will result in legal action being taken (Regulations of Railway Act and Railway Byelaws apply). I must inform you that should legal proceedings be invoked, in addition to any fines imposed by the court there will be an application for £XXX as a contribution to our costs. Offences are recordable and should you be convicted you will receive a criminal record.