Northern rolling stock changes post electrification

[Bovverboy]

Currently en route to Wolverton hauled by 37884

1217 Allerton to Wolverton.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K11212/2017/09/12/advanced

37884 looks to have come light from Leicester.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R57494/2017/09/12/advanced

 

[Shrimper]

Do you know which depot provides the crews to staff the two 319s which stable at Preston?

Wigan

Afraid I can't confirm or deny your suppositions about Stockport - I've brought some of them in and out but have never logged whats in them or where they go other than the night Longsight arrival (which splits on arrival; but of the three times I've done it it's different every time!).

 

[childwallblues]

Do you know which depot provides the crews to staff the two 319s which stable at Preston?

Probably Wigan as I do not think Blackpool currently signs 319s.

 

[Crossforth]

319424 passed the train I'm on a few minutes between Liverpool Lime Street and Edge Hill. It was working into Lime Street. I assume it was in passenger service but can't confirm that.

 

[Bovverboy]

319424 passed the train I'm on a few minutes between Liverpool Lime Street and Edge Hill. It was working into Lime Street. I assume it was in passenger service but can't confirm that.

Crossforth, if you could let us know which train you were on, it should be possible to work out which duty 319424 was operating, if it was indeed in public service.

 

[50032]

That makes (I think) eight diesel units stabled at Stockport CMD most nights, compared with ten (presumably) at Buxton and eleven (probably) at Wigan.

IIRC 7 DMU sets stable at Buxton.

 

[507021]

Crossforth, if you could let us know which train you were on, it should be possible to work out which duty 319424 was operating, if it was indeed in public service.

I was informed it was in service.

 

[Crossforth]

Crossforth, if you could let us know which train you were on, it should be possible to work out which duty 319424 was operating, if it was indeed in public service.

I was on the 12:22 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough 1E73

 

[Geeves]

Do you know which depot provides the crews to staff the two 319s which stable at Preston?

Probably Wigan as I do not think Blackpool currently signs 319s.

I believe Blackpool and Buxton depots are in the process of signing off on 319s

 

[1D53]

424 has been in revenue earning service today.

 

[Whistler40145]

I believe Blackpool and Buxton depots are in the process of signing off on 319s

Am I missing something here?

Why would Buxton staff sign a class that won't be working on their line[emoji849]

 

[Crossforth]

Am I missing something here?

Why would Buxton staff sign a class that won't be working on their line[emoji849]

Because if Buxton crews are a sub depot of Manchester Piccadilly then they may work other lines out of Manchester Piccadilly and not just to Buxton.

Just like when Blackpool North was a TPE Depot, they used to sign 350s but 350s don't go to Blackpool....

 

[Whistler40145]

Cheers for your information

 

[Loop & Link]

Because if Buxton crews are a sub depot of Manchester Piccadilly then they may work other lines out of Manchester Piccadilly and not just to Buxton.

Just like when Blackpool North was a TPE Depot, they used to sign 350s but 350s don't go to Blackpool....

Buxton work a fair share of Hazel Grove-Preston/Blackpool services.

Blackpool definitely sign 319's already as they work a few Lime St-Wigan stoppers and Lime St-Preston services.

 

[Bovverboy]

I was informed it was in service.

May I ask, were you informed, which service?

 

[Bovverboy]

424 has been in revenue earning service today.

Any idea where?

 

[DJH1971]

Any idea where?

I can confirm 319424 was on the 0700 LIV-WGN service this morning.

 

[Bovverboy]

Originally Posted by Crossforth
319424 passed the train I'm on a few minutes between Liverpool Lime Street and Edge Hill. It was working into Lime Street. I assume it was in passenger service but can't confirm that.

I was on the 12:22 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough 1E73

Thanks for the info, Crossforth. 319424 could only have been on the 1131 ex-Wigan, due Lime Street 1222, actual arrival (according to RTT) 1222 and a quarter, with your own train departing at 1221 and three-quarters.

Tracing the duty through gives an Allerton finish, and that is consistent with DJH1971's sighting of it this morning. Assuming no interruptions, its duty today is one of the most straightforward of all those of the 319s, it simply departs Lime Street every two hours until 1900, and Wigan every two hours until 2003, although on its last trip it should collect a second unit (off the 1832 ex-Lime Street) at Wigan.

So it looks as though I'll need to wait at least another day before I see it in Manchester.

Is it in full livery, with bubbles and blue ends?

 

[Crossforth]

Thanks for the info, Crossforth. 319424 could only have been on the 1131 ex-Wigan, due Lime Street 1222, actual arrival (according to RTT) 1222 and a quarter, with your own train departing at 1221 and three-quarters.

Tracing the duty through gives an Allerton finish, and that is consistent with DJH1971's sighting of it this morning. Assuming no interruptions, its duty today is one of the most straightforward of all those of the 319s, it simply departs Lime Street every two hours until 1900, and Wigan every two hours until 2003, although on its last trip it should collect a second unit (off the 1832 ex-Lime Street) at Wigan.

So it looks as though I'll need to wait at least another day before I see it in Manchester.

Is it in full livery, with bubbles and blue ends?

It was indeed in full livery

 

[DJH1971]

I can confirm that 319375 is now also in the new Northern livery.

Currently at platform 1 at Liverpool Lime Street.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Has Northern began to receive cascaded units yet? Someone said September for the first, and we're the 20th of said month now...

 

[stu99]

Has Northern began to receive cascaded units yet? Someone said September for the first, and we're the 20th of said month now...

Not yet, I was under the impression that a few 150s were meant to be transferred from GWR this autumn but haven't heard anything for a bit.

 

[1179_Clee2]

Not yet, I was under the impression that a few 150s were meant to be transferred from GWR this autumn but haven't heard anything for a bit.

Cant remember which thread it was posted in but a insider at GWR said 3 units in September (units 150 101, 102 and 124) more in January but not all of the 17 150/1's some (I think they said 3) will stay at GWR a bit longer. Plus the "Angel 12" which GWR wanted to keep (still does ??)
I visited the Bristol area last week and GWR were using 2x ex LTV 3car 166's in traffic and had 1 on what could have been driver training so could send 3x 2 car units to Northern without reducing its own capacity.

 

[stu99]

Cant remember which thread it was posted in but a insider at GWR said 3 units in September (units 150 101, 102 and 124) more in January but not all of the 17 150/1's some (I think they said 3) will stay at GWR a bit longer. Plus the "Angel 12" which GWR wanted to keep (still does ??)
I visited the Bristol area last week and GWR were using 2x ex LTV 3car 166's in traffic and had 1 on what could have been driver training so could send 3x 2 car units to Northern without reducing its own capacity.

This is what I meant, and could remember myself which thread. Thank you for clarifying it.

 

[Mollman]

Cant remember which thread it was posted in but a insider at GWR said 3 units in September (units 150 101, 102 and 124) more in January but not all of the 17 150/1's some (I think they said 3) will stay at GWR a bit longer. Plus the "Angel 12" which GWR wanted to keep (still does ??)
I visited the Bristol area last week and GWR were using 2x ex LTV 3car 166's in traffic and had 1 on what could have been driver training so could send 3x 2 car units to Northern without reducing its own capacity.

Except GWR currently have a shortage of units due to PSVAR work on the sprinter fleet. Not sure what work (if any) Northern will do on cascaded units before they enter service.

 

[Class455]

319421 was hauled from Long Marston to Allerton yesterday. Is this moving to Northern?

 

[Bovverboy]

According to RTT and Phil Wieland's 'Open Rail' website the Blackburn stabling facility is scheduled to become active from Saturday 11 November, which is a shade earlier than had been said. On that day three sets are due to run out, but six to return. On other days five outward and return seems more typical. There is a bit of variation, partly because of intermittent bus substitution, and partly (probably) because not all journeys have been uploaded yet.

 

[Mollman]

According to RTT and Phil Wieland's 'Open Rail' website the Blackburn stabling facility is scheduled to become active from Saturday 11 November, which is a shade earlier than had been said. On that day three sets are due to run out, but six to return. On other days five outward and return seems more typical. There is a bit of variation, partly because of intermittent bus substitution, and partly (probably) because not all journeys have been uploaded yet.

That ties in with the start of the Blackpool blockade so makes sense.

 

[50032]

319421 was hauled from Long Marston to Allerton yesterday. Is this moving to Northern?

Another UID 319/4 painted the same as 421 (i.e. white with pale blue doors ex-Thameslink) was seen heading to Allerton last night.

 

[johnmoly]

There were six 319 four car sets outside Allerton Depot yesterday morning at about 10am.