Northern Services from Derby

Discussion in 'Allocations, Diagrams & Timetables' started by Belperpete, 14 Jul 2019.

  1. Belperpete

    Belperpete Member

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    I may be teaching grannies to suck eggs here, but in all the years (decades) that I have been using Derby station, I hadn't realised that Northern run a "regular" service from Derby, I thought that EMT and XC were the only operators. But arriving at Derby station late-ish last night, I spotted a 2239 Sheffield train on the board advertised as a Northern service. "Some mistake" I thought, but no it was correct.

    As far as I can see, it doesn't appear in any of Northern's pocket timetables, so presumably they are not too keen on people knowing about it! Well, the train appears (the 2215SX/2217SO from Nottingham), but no mention of any Derby stop.

    According to Wikipedia, there is a return service early morning that does not stop at Derby, but I cannot find anything that matches in the timetable. However, the Northern service 2003 from Leeds does stop at Derby - again this stop does not appear in Northern's pocket timetable. Arriving Nottingham 2202, I presume it then forms the 2215SX/2217SO departure back via Derby.

    Why do Northern need to maintain route knowledge via Derby? Surely, if the route Sheffield to Nottingham via Alfreton is blocked, both XC and EMT run plenty of services Sheffield to Derby and then to Nottingham.
     
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  3. Adam0984

    Adam0984 Member

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    The morning one is no longer scheduled via Derby just the evening ones. I’ve never known Northern to divert Via Derby during engineering work they’d rather terminate at Sheffield or Chesterfield. Only Sheffield sign the diversions Sheffield to Notts so during planned engineering work it would become adhoc as only ones worked by Sheffield crew could go Leeds don’t sign any of the 3 diversions, Beighton (Sheffield to Chesterfield), Toton (Ilkeston to Nottingham) and Derby
     
  4. geoffk

    geoffk Established Member

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    Also a handful of Northern services between Newcastle and Darlington and vv
     
  5. darloscott

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    Would this be an appropriate moment to remind everyone they also reach Dumfries on two random morning services? Albeit technically they are Scotrail services, they are operated with Northern units.
     
  6. Jamesrob637

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    I recall having caught a Northern service once from Derby to Sheffield but it wasn't as late at 22:30 since I had to make a Manchester connection in Sheffield. Possibly around 20:00? Mind you this was early 2018 so timetables have changed considerably in just 18 months.
     
  7. louis97

    louis97 Established Member

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    Used to be just after 9pm from Derby before the timetable change in 2018.
     
  8. Mugby

    Mugby Established Member

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    That's correct, it was also routed via Barrow Hill and Beighton but it was very useful for connecting onto the last TPE fast train to Manchester.

    The later XC service from Derby to Sheffield can be unreliable.
     
  9. bunnahabhain

    bunnahabhain Established Member

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    They've usefully loaded loads of AP ticket availability into the system for their services that do call at Derby, so help to catch unsuspecting punters out as they aren't otherwise available. I'm surprised they didn't go the whole hog and load in Northern Only walk up tickets.
     
  10. Class 170101

    Class 170101 Established Member

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    Will soon be a few more of these - from December if Northern get their Track Access Application through.
     

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