Northern: The Great Unit Cascade

[LowLevel]

I'm beginning to agree that they are for Northern in view of the latest info from GWR sources although the first story was that they were for Scotrail. However, the move is not expected to take place until Monday at the earliest so that looks like their showing will be at the last minute in RTT. The 153 move is now said on WNXX to be for Heaton dropping 2 off at Leeds and the other continuing on. The fact that Heaton has been mentioned now convinces me that they ARE for Northern after and that EMT was "fake news".

You're misreading the gen on there. It's a thread I've been following closely. The first Angel 5 are for Northern and always have been. ScotRail have a finger in the pie later either with those after Northern or the Porterbrook 5 much later - no one is sure which yet. The last Angel 4 are generally reported as arriving at EMT in July (or at least that's what they've been telling their staff and even their passengers on Twitter).

People may have inferred that Neville Hill means EMT but no one who knows anything about what's occurring has ever suggested that link.

 

[Bovverboy]

palmersears said:
I have read they'll be with Northern for a few months before potentially heading to Scotrail to make 3-car 156 hybrids. How true that is i have no idea

Northern would certainly benefit from a temporary increase in capacity! There has been a lot of short forming recently and 3 extra 153s would reduce the loss in capacity.

All you'd need then would be a few drivers.

 

[Yorkshireman16]

hi i see there is an e.c.s from Neville hill-York and back via Harrogate sunday 13th 5Z08/9 could it be a class 170

 

[1D53]

hi i see there is an e.c.s from Neville hill-York and back via Harrogate sunday 13th 5Z08/9 could it be a class 170

Yes, final clearance checks.

 

[northernchris]

Yes, final clearance checks.

Given that there won't be enough 170s to fully convert the Harrogate line are they just set to work the Leeds-Harrogate-York services with the Knaresborough's still in the hands of sprinters? Although a welcome improvement it will still represent a decrease in peak time capacity if so

 

[John C]

170477 was the unit on 5Z08 this morning seen here at Knaresborough

https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotosonline/41357842014/in/dateposted/

 

[John C]

158870 which has spent the last couple of month in Barrow for driver training runs is now back in Leeds. Not sure if it’s just returned today or earlier in the week.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotosonline/41178206575/in/dateposted/

 

[PHILIPE]

158870 which has spent the last couple of month in Barrow for driver training runs is now back in Leeds. Not sure if it’s just returned today or earlier in the week.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotosonline/41178206575/in/dateposted/

Changed over with 871 in the middle of the week.

 

[PHILIPE]

153 Move:-

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O97771/2018/05/14/advanced

 

[pemma]

153 Move:-

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O97771/2018/05/14/advanced

Timetabled for 74mph!

 

[PHILIPE]

Timetabled for 74mph!

That's a glitch which can happen in RTT with STP trains. At least not 180 mph as I have seen.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Its doing well at 107L at the moment.

 

[PHILIPE]

This looks like the Heaton 153:-

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O97846/2018/05/14/advanced

 

[stu99]

This looks like the Heaton 153:-

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O97846/2018/05/14/advanced

Yup saw it pass York Railcam

 

[northernchris]

What's the 153 off to Heaton for?

 

[td97]

What's the 153 off to Heaton for?

Exactly, do Newcastle or Darlington drivers even sign these? AFAIK, 142 and 156 operate in NE-land

 

[stu99]

What's the 153 off to Heaton for?

C4 exam apparently

 

[northernchris]

Ah of course! Forgot Heaton do a lot of the exams

 

[td97]

So now Northern's trains will contain a mix of liveries from:

• Northern
• Northern Rail (i.e. Serco Abellio)
  • West Yorkshire PTE variations of the above
• Scotrail
• FGW (blue)
• GWR (green)
• TPE on their hired 185s

 

[GrahamD83]

Exactly, do Newcastle or Darlington drivers even sign these? AFAIK, 142 and 156 operate in NE-land

Heaton have had 153s in the past, so possibly some drivers already sign them.

 

[PHILIPE]

Heaton have had 153s in the past, so possibly some drivers already sign them.

They probably won't be working out of Heaton.

 

[agbrs_Jack]

Will Manchester to Stoke via Congleton still be getting new electric trains from December?
I heard they were replacing the 323s?

 

[1179_Clee2]

Thought I would would post a list on what so far Northern have received...
GWR
150124 now in Northern Livery

150102 Now in Northern Livery Transferred 3rd December 2017
150122

150101 Transferred 3rd Feb NH
150123
150129

150108 Transferred 17th Feb
150120
150128

150104 Transferred 10th March
150106

150121 Transferred 17th March
150127

150130 Transferring 29th March
150131
ScotRail
158870 Transferred 4th Jan
158871

170478 Transferred 6th March
170475

170477 Holbeck (crew training), Transferred 8th March

170476 Crewe to be Northernised 9th March

Update's for your list
170476 now in Northern Livery
153305, 373 and 380 transferred from GWR
150209 transferred from GWR
Your list has 150130 and 131 Transferring 29th March (they TRANSFERRED 29th March)

 

[stu99]

Update's for your list
170476 now in Northern Livery
153305, 373 and 380 transferred from GWR
150209 transferred from GWR
Your list has 150130 and 131 Transferring 29th March (they TRANSFERRED 29th March)

Thanks...updated

 

[Anvil1984]

Heaton have had 153s in the past, so possibly some drivers already sign them.

They probably won't be working out of Heaton.

Replace this with DEFINATELY wont be working out of Heaton, Its just for a C4 exam.

Newcastle and the North East hasn't seen 153s based their in at least 10 years (probably over 15 years). The only time ones been in passenger service at Newcastle has been with Carlisle crew and that's once a year if that

 

[geoffk]

Anyone know when the next 158s and 170s are due to move from Scotrail to Northern? And the 156s for that matter. Is their release linked to the next phase of electrification in Scotland?

 

[stu99]

Anyone know when the next 158s and 170s are due to move from Scotrail to Northern? And the 156s for that matter. Is their release linked to the next phase of electrification in Scotland?

I've heard for the 170s, end July there or abouts, but not sure about the 158s and I also would like to know for definite

 

[stu99]

Any updates on the transfer of the 170s and 158s from Scotrail, as mentioned in my previous post?

 

[SteveM70]

So now Northern's trains will contain a mix of liveries from:

• Northern
• Northern Rail (i.e. Serco Abellio)
  • West Yorkshire PTE variations of the above
• Scotrail
• FGW (blue)
• GWR (green)
• TPE on their hired 185s

There are also a couple of 153s in South Yorkshire PTE derivatives of the Northern Rail livery

 

[Tim R-T-C]

So now Northern's trains will contain a mix of liveries from:

• Northern
• Northern Rail (i.e. Serco Abellio)
  • West Yorkshire PTE variations of the above
• Scotrail
• FGW (blue)
• GWR (green)
• TPE on their hired 185s

Plus the 322s are still in First Scotrail blue. They got debranded, temporarily had Northern stickers on. Now plain again.

The 321/9 have been painted to match, so they are in FSR unbranded blue despite never running for FSR!